who is doing the fighting for the Leafs then? because they have the most majors in the NHL. or second most.
- DoubleDown

Lupul.

What did you make Yost for breakfast this morning?
- Atomic Wedgie

Now, please resume panic mode and discuss how trading Kadri and Gardiner will save the season.

Orr and McLaren were effective last year ...somebody needs to put a microphone in front of their face and ask them what the (frank) has changed ...what the (frank) is going on this year.
- The Law

The problem is that throwing out multiple goons is a great strategy to rise above the dregs of the league - hell, it may get you to sneak into the playoffs.

It won't make you a serious contender, though. Ever (or at least not since the 1970s).

We have a blueprint to build a mediocre team.

Which is a shame, because we have a few talented parts at the moment.

more leafs fans and management need to get on board with advanced stats... falling behind once again caught with pants down. the embarrassment that unites us all
- senstroll

Oh god lets not have the corsi debate today, being a leaf fan is exhausting enough.

6-1 Leafs...
- Fruitcakenipple

Found our jinx

Now, please resume panic mode and discuss how trading Kadri and Gardiner will save the season.

- Fjodor

It's funny how the Leafs are the worst team in the league, yet they still sit one point above the Senators.

Clarkson?
- Woderwick

(frank)ing done..... get in the car lads, we are agoing to Phoenix.

I dont understand why the Leafs call up Ashton and give him only a little over 3 mins last night - they were getting blown out - give him some ice time
- MTL1

Give a few more goals to the Canes?

who is doing the fighting for the Leafs then? because they have the most majors in the NHL. or second most.
- DoubleDown

According to Hockey Fights, 6 of the 30 came in game 1. After that, Lupul and Bodie have a few, Kessel and Kadri have one.

McLaren fought twice in Dec., none since Dec. 17th and Orr hasn't thrown the mitts since Nov. 30. It was business as usual at the start of the season (when they happened to be winning), but almost nothing since.

Oh god lets not have the corsi debate today, being a leaf fan is exhausting enough.
- Bigzby

I think the debate is over, we are on to the complete ignorance stage

we dont need advanced stats to analyze teams and players we just need to "play better" and "work harder"

who is doing the fighting for the Leafs then? because they have the most majors in the NHL. or second most.
- DoubleDown

1 Frazer McLaren 6
2 Colton Orr 5
3 Troy Bodie 3
4 David Clarkson 3
5 Mark Fraser 3
6 Joffrey Lupul 3
7 Carter Ashton 2
8 David Broll 1
9 Nazem Kadri 1
10 Phil Kessel 1
11 Dion Phaneuf 1
12 Jerred Smithson 1

Last year through 48 games the heavyweight trilogy of McLaren-Orr-Fraser had a combined 34 fights. This year through 45 games they have a combined 14. The other guys lose fights. Win fight = GoGo juice. Lose fight = passive skill players.

Did JVR even play last night, I cant remember seeing or hearing his name

(frank)ing done..... get in the car lads, we are agoing to Phoenix.
- walshyleafsfan

Gas up and beer run as soon as we cross the border. And lunch at the Cracker Barrel.

I'm not ready to go there.
- The Law

Believe you me I understand that, considering he's barely played. And if we can nab another signing in the summer I'd gladly have him on the third pairing with Gunner.

I'm more looking at it in the sense that he's here to stay, because I don't think we'll buy him out.

And the most hits.

But supposedly, they aren't physical enough since Komarov left...

Weird, isn't it?
- Pecafan Fan

Teams tend to rack up the hits when they don't have the puck. Hits in the 1st period last night were 16-3 in favour of Toronto.

According to Hockey Fights, 6 of the 30 came in game 1. After that, Lupul and Bodie have a few, Kessel and Kadri have one.

McLaren fought twice in Dec., none since Dec. 17th and Orr hasn't thrown the mitts since Nov. 30. It was business as usual at the start of the season (when they happened to be winning), but almost nothing since.
- 1979AD

That's pretty telling. Why have they stopped? As a team, why have we stopped? It's hockey for god's sake. How hard can it be to find someone who wants/likes to fight?

And the most hits.

But supposedly, they aren't physical enough since Komarov left...

Weird, isn't it?
- Pecafan Fan

Those same stats inform us that Franson is a physical beast. He's Aki Berg with a fantastic point shot.

Haha! It's so funny (frustrating) when someone tries to explain why a team is sucking, and then quantifies it, nobody wants to listen. The numbers say a lot. And these people collecting the numbers watch the games more closely and objectively than anyone else.

I'm sure we can all agree that you want players that can advance the puck up ice and create scoring chances. Right? Well, there are now ways to track and check what you see with your eyes. The metrics help. Don't be afraid.
- Stringer74

That's not what Corsi tracks, Skippy.

I think the debate is over, we are on to the complete ignorance stage

we dont need advanced stats to analyze teams and players we just need to "play better" and "work harder"
- senstroll

Im not ignorant I just rely on wins and losses, and well with 4 regulation wins in 31 games, its safe to say we're a bad team lol

no it wouldnt

he was offered straight up for JVR two years ago and JVR has progressed into a better player since then

but its you.. and you'll never post anything that leans in the leafs favour.. so feel free to continue
- Dozzer

That insistence on a deal having to lean in their teams favor is why deals don't get done anymore.

It's like GM's are afraid of not getting that little bit extra just so it looks like they won the deal.

Teams tend to rack up the hits when they don't have the puck. Hits in the 1st period last night were 16-3 in favour of Toronto.
- 1979AD

Hits were huge last night - I think I saw 40 to 13 at some point during the third...was I seeing things?

Mike Augello: Disinterested, Disorganized Leafs Drilled In Carolina
- mikeinbuffalo

nice alliteration

Teams tend to rack up the hits when they don't have the puck. Hits in the 1st period last night were 16-3 in favour of Toronto.
- 1979AD

Yeah, it's what I think too.

Im not ignorant I just rely on wins and losses, and well with 4 regulation wins in 31 games, its safe to say we're a bad team lol
- Bigzby

You will not be liked here spreading that kind of sensible propaganda.

Last year through 48 games the heavyweight trilogy of McLaren-Orr-Fraser had a combined 34 fights. This year through 45 games they have a combined 14. The other guys lose fights. Win fight = GoGo juice. Lose fight = passive skill players.
- The Law

Well, actually, no...

http://nhlnumbers.com/201...impact-on-future-outcomes