It's about atitude, agression, setting the tone and opening up lanes therefore controlling the pace numbnuts
- jimi james

Yes, his 6 to 8 minutes a night would completely change the face of this team.

There is progress to be made, and if Carlyle makes it I won't even mind if he's not fired, but I have so little faith that he will Leafs games just depress me now.

Scratching Gardiner for Fraser is simply not the solution, and I'm glad that we got blown out to show the upper brass that. Nevermind that Fraser is terrible, but the system Carlyle wants that Fraser could play in isn't working. Changes need to be made, and the bottom line is if they don't make them, they won't win.

You can say 'they need to compete harder' or 'skate better' all you want, but the bottom line is there is ONLY 3 possible problems with the Leafs: the coach/system sucks, the players suck, or both. As horrid as they are playing, and while we're not a contender team, the latter two just aren't believable to me.

does it matter? atitude isnt about minutes
- jimi james

ya it does.
You're saying he had such a HUGE impact on the team and their results.
So yes, quality mins do count.

I'm eagerly awaiting his first mock draft, and which player he suggests we draft first!

Though i'd love to see the Leafs find a way to stockpile 2015 1sts.........like can't we trade Kessel to Calgary for their 2014 1st, 2015 1st and 2015 2nd?
- mykokes

No one is safe, except Rielly - trade them all.

Theoretically wouldn't he work with Kadri and Lupul then?
- mykokes

yup.. but that dippoop RC insists on using him as a checker

Yes, his 6 to 8 minutes a night would completely change the face of this team.
- Pecafan Fan

yes in fact it would...and it did last season

ya it does.
You're saying he had such a HUGE impact on the team and their results.
So yes, quality mins do count.
- Fakepartofme

The Colby Armstrong / Brandon Prust effect all over again.

yes in fact it would...and it did last season
- jimi james

ok.

believe what you will.


But if you look at the Leafs, you'd think they do better with Clarkson than they did with Komarov, 8 minutes a night, no?




Komarov would probably go with the flow just like the rest of them at the moment. To think that guy would be the solution is rather foolish.

The Colby Armstrong / Brandon Prust effect all over again.
- Pecafan Fan

Pretty much.
Desperate for some sort of answer.

Stupid leafs.
Im going back to work.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/crime-first-death-atomic-wedgie-152747409.html?vp=1

You've been warned.
- Atomic Wedgie

No one is safe, except Rielly - trade them all.
- Woderwick

Wow it's doom and gloom in here, I've never seen you guys like this before.

Again, Im not a huge fan of Carlyle and Im not against firing him....my point is, the issue is so much deeper than just coach and people need to realize that.
Phaneuf has not been great in his own D zone either, so you can lump him in with the rest of the group....heck just last night on the stall goal I believe, the puck gets easily chipped by him and gives no effort in trying to come back...he gives up on the play.

I truly believe its no coincidence this team went south once Bolland was injured...he brought so much to this team.
- Fakepartofme

"not great" is a relative term. Considering is qualcomp, ice time and other important stats his numbers are actually pretty impressive at 5 on 5.

Leafs Dmen ....5 on 5 goals against
Phaneuf 23
Gunnars 21
Franson 39
Reilly 35 (36 games)
Gardiner 29
Ranger 27 (36 games)
Fraser 13 (19 games)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/crime-first-death-atomic-wedgie-152747409.html?vp=1

You've been warned.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wedgies can kill.
The suspected murder weapon: his underwear.

ok.

believe what you will.


But if you look at the Leafs, you'd think they do better with Clarkson than they did with Komarov, 8 minutes a night, no?




Komarov would probably go with the flow just like the rest of them at the moment. To think that guy would be the solution is rather foolish.
- Pecafan Fan

It was a shade under 14 minutes a night, and he threw a hit every 3 minutes.

yup.. but that dippoop RC insists on using him as a checker
- Dozzer

Needed to replace Grabbo with someone of similar salary cap. He thinks that's a rule.

Nah, they'll have Miller by then.
- mykokes

actually i think they've been playing pretty well lately

Wow it's doom and gloom in here, I've never seen you guys like thus before.
- Scooby_Doo

We're just funnin'...sort of.

I said 6-2 yesterday, pretty close. The leafs are right back where they were 18 months ago, the joke of the league. Would rather watch boyd devereaux and tim brent, at least they put forth an honest effort.

ya it does.
You're saying he had such a HUGE impact on the team and their results.
So yes, quality mins do count.
- Fakepartofme

yeah ok look at last season and this season...look at the team atitude on the ice..who set that atitude? role players like Komarov..lightning fast, pesty take no poop (frank) you players that wear the opposition down and instill fear and throw them off their game so that the skilled scorers can work their magic

Cant believe i have to explain this

People railing on Phaneuf I just don't get, considering what is asked of him, who he plays with, and what he's working with. It's such a Leaf fan argument to look at his salary, then figure out a way to critique him in any way possible. It's absurd.

It's the same for Clarkson. Yes, I get it, he's paid a lot and not producing. But if you for one second think that we got ripped off because we paid a guy who produced on a second line and then stuck him on a third with two BS linemates and think he all of sudden has the skill to do it alone you're just insane.

Forest for the trees folks. Stop just looking at a salary, then looking at a point total and then scream and yell.

It was a shade under 14 minutes a night, and he threw a hit every 3 minutes.
- mykokes

Fair enough.


Komarov would save the Leafs right now.

Not sure why Nonis didn't bring him back and name him captain.

yeah ok look at last season and this season...look at the team atitude on the ice..who set that atitude? role players like Komarov..lightning fast, pesty take no poop (frank) you players that wear the opposition down and instill fear and throw them off their game so that the skilled scorers can work their magic

Cant believe i have to explain this
- jimi james

They signed Clarkson to do that... at a HIGH price too.

ok.

believe what you will.


But if you look at the Leafs, you'd think they do better with Clarkson than they did with Komarov, 8 minutes a night, no?




Komarov would probably go with the flow just like the rest of them at the moment. To think that guy would be the solution is rather foolish.
- Pecafan Fan

Oh ffs man he was a CATALYST! not a (frank)ing solution geezus

People railing on Phaneuf I just don't get, considering what is asked of him, who he plays with, and what he's working with. It's such a Leaf fan argument to look at his salary, then figure out a way to critique him in any way possible. It's absurd.

It's the same for Clarkson. Yes, I get it, he's paid a lot and not producing. But if you for one second think that we got ripped off because we paid a guy who produced on a second line and then stuck him on a third with two BS linemates and think he all of sudden has the skill to do it alone you're just insane.

Forest for the trees folks. Stop just looking at a salary, then looking at a point total and then scream and yell.
- mcleafs

Looking at that doesn't make it any better...