exactly

Therrien will get fired eventually, they all get fired.

I don't think it's anytime soon, the franchise needs stability.
- stinger67

A coach that is always in reaction mode doesn't offer much stability though...ie constant line shuffling, benching players all the time, etc.

I get accountability but you look at the big picture, not just each individual play which seems to me, to be the issue, based on what I am reading

Name a Coach that has won the cup that the players consider to be their friend
- 2gals1dane

Show me where I said the coach needs to be the player's friend.

Are you telling me that you disagree with my assertion that players have changed and don't react to coaching the same way they did in the past?


Really???

Yes. Quenneville re-enacts the Miracle on Ice speech before every game and between every period.
- Pecafan Fan

He actually does a few Kurt Russell movies. It all depends on the mood in the room. Like that 20-something game winning streak? Mostly Captain Ron scenes.

To be fair, Julien wasn't identified as "the guy" before he won the cup.



...and even then
- Pecafan Fan

He was a loss away from MTL from getting canned if I recall correctly.

- stinger67

notice him not being able to read the names on the cup.

At this point, I'm uneasy with Therrien, but not quite ready to toss him in the furnace. It is interesting to note, however, that this discussion (and many previous discussions) is quick to lay the blame at the coach's feet, but there's never any concern about Gionta's role in this. Shouldn't the captain bear some responsibility for motivating his team (and creating a buffer between coach and players)?
- elliedawg

I think it's safe to assume that every Habs fan has given up on Gionta and is just waiting for his contract to expire in July.

- stinger67

Even back then?

I don't remember him being a hard ass but i don't see him as being buddy buddy with the players either.

notice him not being able to read the names on the cup.
- Fountain-San

Really eases the pressure not to know whose footsteps you're following.

I think it's safe to assume that every Habs fan has given up on Gionta and is just waiting for his contract to expire in July.
- razr

Well, keep him around so his midget elbow can hit goalies in the head and concuss them come playoff time

Even back then?

I don't remember him being a hard ass but i don't see him as being buddy buddy with the players either.
- 2gals1dane

Oh no, Demers was always a notoriously player-friendly coach. Big time.

Even back then?

I don't remember him being a hard ass but i don't see him as being buddy buddy with the players either.
- 2gals1dane

All u had to do was keep Patrick Roy happy on that team.

Oh no, Demers was always a notoriously player-friendly coach. Big time.
- razr

I think it's safe to assume that every Habs fan has given up on Gionta and is just waiting for his contract to expire in July.
- razr

Yes.

To be fair, Julien wasn't identified as "the guy" before he won the cup.



...and even then
- Pecafan Fan

for sure. it's just that 1 year into a 4 year deal (lewis' deal), Chiarelli knew to fire the first coach he ever hired.

Well, keep him around so his midget elbow can hit goalies in the head and concuss them come playoff time
- twiztedmike

Leafs don't need goalies anymore. They have Jesus Clarkson.

All u had to do was keep Patrick Roy happy on that team.
- BingoLady

This. Sadly, too many players were busy keeping his wife happy.

Even back then?

I don't remember him being a hard ass but i don't see him as being buddy buddy with the players either.
- 2gals1dane

I don't think I have ever seen as many players wanting to hug their coach after a cup win.

Oh Gaston

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/...fait-ses-devoirs-1.164676

Even back then?

I don't remember him being a hard ass but i don't see him as being buddy buddy with the players either.
- 2gals1dane

Him constantly hugging his players...and telling them he loves them wasn't enough for you to convince you he was buddy-buddy with them???

Listen, it's not one extreme or the other...there's plenty of room in the middle. The mike Keenan's of the world aren't coaching anymore and if they do, it's for a short time. Players see through a lot of the bullpoop coaches throw at them...they know what's going on...

Oh no, Demers was always a notoriously player-friendly coach. Big time.
- razr

Il donnait des "coco-bunt" à Patrick après une victoire

notice him not being able to read the names on the cup.
- Fountain-San

I don't think I have ever seen as many players wanting to hug their coach after a cup win.
- stinger67

Hell, even during the season.

He was a "player's coach" if ever there was one. He really cared and the players knew it.

It had its down sides too...hence why he was eventually fired...

Him constantly hugging his players...and telling them he loves them wasn't enough for you to convince you he was buddy-buddy with them???

Listen, it's not one extreme or the other...there's plenty of room in the middle. The mike Keenan's of the world aren't coaching anymore and if they do, it's for a short time. Players see through a lot of the bullpoop coaches throw at them...they know what's going on...
- TouenneTiiTree

Torts? He won a cup and got a ton out of that NYR team. Hell he's getting a ton out of an injury depleted team with only 3 top 6 forwards.

Show me where I said the coach needs to be the player's friend.

Are you telling me that you disagree with my assertion that players have changed and don't react to coaching the same way they did in the past?


Really???
- TouenneTiiTree

I don't think they need to be coodled as much as you think they do.

I think social media and 24/7ish shows has let us see behind the smoke and we know too much about the players now.

I think there are more premadonnas then there ever was, due to parents and everyone they know telling them that they are the next best thing, and this happens in every country.

There are more opportunity now for players and they don't have to work as hard to make it as they once did.

But overall, most players will still listen to a disciplining coach. The coach just needs to find the right threats to use.

I also don't think MT is as big of a hard ass and people think. He benches PK for 2mins and the media and fans go into a frenzy

Him constantly hugging his players...and telling them he loves them wasn't enough for you to convince you he was buddy-buddy with them???

Listen, it's not one extreme or the other...there's plenty of room in the middle. The mike Keenan's of the world aren't coaching anymore and if they do, it's for a short time. Players see through a lot of the bullpoop coaches throw at them...they know what's going on...
- TouenneTiiTree

I just think most coaches have a short shelf life.... after 2-3 years players tune them out... And then there are teams like Pittsburgh where you have Malkin and Crosby and it really doesn't even matter who the coach is. Ditto SJS. (FFS Ron Wilson was there and they did well, or maybe it was that Leafs roster was just THAT bad)