so does that mean Kadri is out?
- dmnted

Fixed

And yes, yes it would mean that.

So you're saying O'Reilly > Hall.

Gotcha. I guess I was just confused...

We don't act like he's 30. We don't say he's not a good player. We simply say he's not worth more than what other players his Age are getting paid.

Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean you can't understand it.
- l3ig_l2ecl

At this point in their careers.. yes. Hall can't play a complete game if he wanted.

I guess thats relative to the team that gets him.

I would be sure that Edmonton and Toronto would gladly pay him 6M because of his style of play.

A team like Chicago, most definitely would not.

The bigger the need, the more valuable he is to you.
- eddieavs

I think a type of player has a price tag attached to him.
Offensive types of player should cost more no matter where they play just as how offensive Dman's do.

At this point in their careers.. yes. Hall can't play a complete game if he wanted.
- DutchCanSaveUs

I think a type of player has a price tag attached to him.
Offensive types of player should cost more no matter where they play just as how offensive Dman's do.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Sure, offense does carry a lot more cost with it.

But players like Bergeron carry value because of the high quality of their defensive play.

OReilly excels on the defensive side of the puck. Being able to contribute 60ish points at 22 years old is what makes him valuable.

Hes like a Bergeron-lite, with still the possibility and likelihood of improvement.

oh man now o'reilly is being compared to bergeron? ahahahah. this is hilarious, keep it coming.

if a player is a 1st line winger on his team because there are no better options, it doesnt make him an actual 1st line winger in the NHL. otherwise the avs could just sign me for the league minimum and put me on the 1st line. wait, am i now a 1st line winger? what awful logic indeed.

- l3ig_l2ecl

-13.

Tell me otherwise. Whats wrong? Is this where Oilers fans get to twist their argument to fit their sad pathetic team? Ohhhh, we're still young and rebuilding, blah blah blah.

2 months ago the Oilers top 6 was better than the Avs, Hall was better than Duchene (he's not, btw), Dubnyk was gonna tear it up, etc.etc.

Oil fans are so lost it's not even funny.

Sure, offense does carry a lot more cost with it.

But players like Bergeron carry value because of the high quality of their defensive play.

OReilly excels on the defensive side of the puck. Being able to contribute 60ish points at 22 years old is what makes him valuable.

Hes like a Bergeron-lite, with still the possibility and likelihood of improvement.
- eddieavs

How much is Bergeron getting paid?

I agree, but the leafs likely wont trade away bozak, and he seems to keep sticking on the Kessel line, making him the de facto 1st Center. I would like to have ROR as C2, but the cost would have to be reasonable. then they can move kadri to the wing where i think he will be better suited.
- jarmstrong

17 points as a number 1 center playing with guys who have 38 & 31 points?

JC, even desharnais was able to collect more secondary assists and gimmie goals then that.
So what exactly does Bozak bring to that line that makes him a staple that can't be moved?

oh man now o'reilly is being compared to bergeron? ahahahah. this is hilarious, keep it coming.

if a player is a 1st line winger on his team because there are no better options, it doesnt make him an actual 1st line winger in the NHL. otherwise the avs could just sign me for the league minimum and put me on the 1st line. wait, am i now a 1st line winger? what awful logic indeed.
- sensnucksnocups

RoR is the only other player outside of Bergeron to make his NHL club at 18 after being a 2nd round pick.

So yes, they're being compared, because they are both exceptional two way forwards who excelled early in their careers.

Derp.

Sure, offense does carry a lot more cost with it.

But players like Bergeron carry value because of the high quality of their defensive play.

OReilly excels on the defensive side of the puck. Being able to contribute 60ish points at 22 years old is what makes him valuable.

Hes like a Bergeron-lite, with still the possibility and likelihood of improvement.
- eddieavs

E2?

oh man now o'reilly is being compared to bergeron? ahahahah. this is hilarious, keep it coming.

if a player is a 1st line winger on his team because there are no better options, it doesnt make him an actual 1st line winger in the NHL. otherwise the avs could just sign me for the league minimum and put me on the 1st line. wait, am i now a 1st line winger? what awful logic indeed.
- sensnucksnocups

Its painfully clear that you have no idea who O'Reilly is.

At this point in their careers.. yes. Hall can't play a complete game if he wanted.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Then you haven't watched him at all.

That team is AWFUL defensively and he is failing because everyone around him has no clue how to spell defense (didn't steal burke's line intentionally).

Not saying he's a Selke nominee by any stretch, but to say he can't play a complete game if he wanted is simply not true.

How much is Bergeron getting paid?
- Symba007

I believe his new contract is for 6.5M

E2?
- l3ig_l2ecl

huh?

Then you haven't watched him at all.

That team is AWFUL defensively and he is failing because everyone around him has no clue how to spell defense (didn't steal burke's line intentionally).

Not saying he's a Selke nominee by any stretch, but to say he can't play a complete game if he wanted is simply not true.
- Juice

Good players make other players around them better.

Nobody on the Oil can do that right now. Make it tough to take him seriously. How many #1 picks in a row can that organization screw up?

Why can't we just keep O'Reilly? It would solidify our top 6. We would have Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly, McKinnon, Parenteau or Mcginn, Landeskog. Thats not a bad top 6 at all. We're never going to get the D-Man of our dreams in a trade unless we give up one of our untouchables.

huh?
- eddieavs

Apparently RoR isn't going to score in the 2nd half of the season and will never put up 60 pts.

Afterall, he's 22 man. Gettin' old. Just hang 'em up already.

At this point in their careers.. yes. Hall can't play a complete game if he wanted.
- DutchCanSaveUs

I disagree.

Hall's offensive game is elite and ROR's defense really doesnt make up the difference.

The avs would definitely be the ones adding if they swapped (theoretically).

Its painfully clear that you have no idea who O'Reilly is.
- eddieavs

sorry i'm just busy trying to get in touch with hornqvist to give him the good news. i cant believe all this time he didn't know he's a 1st line winger! too bad he cant renegotiate his contract, he could easily make 6.5M next year ahahahah

17 points as a number 1 center playing with guys who have 38 & 31 points?

JC, even desharnais was able to collect more secondary assists and gimmie goals then that.
So what exactly does Bozak bring to that line that makes him a staple that can't be moved?
- 2gals1dane

ummm, 17 points in 20 games???????????? No, DD had not collected that many points. And again, Bozak does all the heavy lifting defensively on that line, which lets Kessel and JVR play their game. He's also excellent on the dot.

He could be upgraded on, no doubt. But he's no slouch either.

I disagree.

Hall's offensive game is elite and ROR's defense really doesnt make up the difference.

The avs would definitely be the ones adding if they swapped (theoretically).
- eddieavs

Hall has 2 more than RoR (goals). RoR Isn't a goal scorer.

That's sad any way you look at it. ZOMG more assists. Big deal. Edmonton is all or nothing, no in between.

-13.

Tell me otherwise. Whats wrong? Is this where Oilers fans get to twist their argument to fit their sad pathetic team? Ohhhh, we're still young and rebuilding, blah blah blah.

2 months ago the Oilers top 6 was better than the Avs, Hall was better than Duchene (he's not, btw), Dubnyk was gonna tear it up, etc.etc.

Oil fans are so lost it's not even funny.
- DutchCanSaveUs

+/- is often argued to be more of a team stats than an individual stat. Saying he's -13 holds almost no weight when they have 1 player who's played more than 10 games that's in the +.

If you're using +/- to determine a players true defensive ability when they're on a garbage team, you're well on your way to losing a lot of arguments.

17 points as a number 1 center playing with guys who have 38 & 31 points?

JC, even desharnais was able to collect more secondary assists and gimmie goals then that.
So what exactly does Bozak bring to that line that makes him a staple that can't be moved?
- 2gals1dane

Let's just totally ignore the fact he's only played 20 games this season.

oh man now o'reilly is being compared to bergeron? ahahahah. this is hilarious, keep it coming.

if a player is a 1st line winger on his team because there are no better options, it doesnt make him an actual 1st line winger in the NHL. otherwise the avs could just sign me for the league minimum and put me on the 1st line. wait, am i now a 1st line winger? what awful logic indeed.
- sensnucksnocups

yes. we are. Definitely. Same style of player, Bergeron better, but RoR with a couple of years more development may very well be just as good.