I hear they have good systems in Russia
- FinAddict

I'd do a deal around Nurse, 2nd and hemsky for RoR.

Although I think Nurse is going to be the real deal.

Haha. Maybe in three or four years, those guys get to Gardiners level, if you're lucky. They're just prospects at this point.
- prock

Im not really sure I understand why you look at Gardiner and Barrie as two players on completely different levels.

Theyre both young players who still have a lot to show and prove.

What puts Gardiner at such a superior level?

Theyre essentially identical offensively in their careers. The only difference being that Gardiner has played 60 more games because hes a full year older.

I do think Gardiner is more valuable, but I believe the difference is much smaller than youre claiming.

In their AHL careers, Barrie has been just as productive, if not more productive than Gardiner.

I think this is more of a case of Gardiner playing on the Leafs, who are one of the most popular teams in the league, whereas Barrie plays in the west and is rarely spoken about.
Their career trajectories are mirroring each other thus far.

ahahah now it all makes sense. you actually think every team has two first line wingers.

since you enjoy asking questions so much, let me ask one. who are nashville's two 1st line wingers? feel free to take your time, do your research. horqnvist? he has like what, 20 points? he wouldnt even be a 1st line winger on the avs. so many teams are lacking 1st line wingers, just because you play in the 1st line spot doesnt mean you are a 1st liner. if it was that easy then the leafs center problem would be solved since they can just plug in bozak or anyone else. nice try though, i'm sure you thought you felt smart when you were pulling out all those stats, but unfortunately like many other people have figured out when trying to argue with me, you are wrong.

well, that must have been the easiest argument i've ever won. i cant believe someone would actually think oreilly is a 1st line winger "because he got 55 points and that's better than some teams 1st line wingers" ahahahah
- sensnucksnocups

This post is hilarious.

Yes, every team in the NHL has 2 first line wingers, and here's why:
Every team has a first line
Every team's first line has 2 wingers
Therefor, every team has 2 first line wingers.

Now, does this mean anyone who plays in those 2 spots is a superstar? No, it does not. Does it make them 2nd line wingers? No, it makes them 1st line wingers which is typically a spot given to your 2 best wingers.

Now, to the actual argument about whether Ryan O'Rielly is putting up 1st line winger numbers?

Let's see, I took the top 30(there's 30 teams) LWs and RWs and divided it to see the average last season.
The left wingers put up 1063 points in 1348 games. The best LW put up 1.25 PPG. The average LW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th LW put up 0.56 PPG
The right wingers put up 1086 points in 1382 games. The best RW put up 1.08 PPG. The average RW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th RW put up 0.54 PPG.

O'Rielly put up 0.69, the season before that(55 pts in 81 games) he put up 0.68. He's on pace for 0.67 so far this season.
That puts him offensively below average for a first line winger(0.79) but way better than the worst 1st line wingers in the league. This doesn't take anything else into account, like his ability to play well defensively. The kid is 22 years old, he doesn't play on a stacked team and he logs a lot of minutes for the Avalanche.

This literally makes him a 1st line caliber winger, not a superstar, which may be the word you were looking for, but certainly worthy of being placed on most 1st lines in the NHL, especially if you take into account his ability to play well defensively and the fact that he's 22 years old and should(on paper) keep producing at this pace or better moving forward.

Doesn't mean he's worth 6.5M though, looking at you Feaster.

This post is hilarious.

Yes, every team in the NHL has 2 first line wingers, and here's why:
Every team has a first line
Every team's first line has 2 wingers
Therefor, every team has 2 first line wingers.

Now, does this mean anyone who plays in those 2 spots is a superstar? No, it does not. Does it make them 2nd line wingers? No, it makes them 1st line wingers which is typically a spot given to your 2 best wingers.

Now, to the actual argument about whether Ryan O'Rielly is putting up 1st line winger numbers?

Let's see, I took the top 30(there's 30 teams) LWs and RWs and divided it to see the average last season.
The left wingers put up 1063 points in 1348 games. The best LW put up 1.25 PPG. The average LW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th LW put up 0.56 PPG
The right wingers put up 1086 points in 1382 games. The best RW put up 1.08 PPG. The average RW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th RW put up 0.54 PPG.

O'Rielly put up 0.69, the season before that(55 pts in 81 games) he put up 0.68. He's on pace for 0.67 so far this season.
That puts him offensively below average for a first line winger(0.79) but way better than the worst 1st line wingers in the league. This doesn't take anything else into account, like his ability to play well defensively. The kid is 22 years old, he doesn't play on a stacked team and he logs a lot of minutes for the Avalanche.

This literally makes him a 1st line caliber winger, not a superstar, which may be the word you were looking for, but certainly worthy of being placed on most 1st lines in the NHL, especially if you take into account his ability to play well defensively and the fact that he's 22 years old and should(on paper) keep producing at this pace or better moving forward.

Doesn't mean he's worth 6.5M though, looking at you Feaster.
- Leito49

Soooo.... Malkin is a 2nd line center?

Soooo.... Malkin is a 2nd line center?
- Feeling Glucky?

Your reading comprehension is horrible.

Taking Malkin's point production, without actually doing the math, I'm 100% sure he's above the average production of the top 30 centers in the league. This makes him a 1st line center, currently playing on the 2nd line because he has a better center in front of him.

Your reading comprehension is horrible.

Taking Malkin's point production, without actually doing the math, I'm 100% sure he's above the average production of the top 30 centers in the league. This makes him a 1st line center, currently playing on the 2nd line because he has a better center in front of him.
- Leito49

So, somebody who isn't a top-30 player in their position can be a top line player, as well as top-30 players who aren't on the top line?

How many top line wingers/centers are there?

So, somebody who isn't a top-30 player in their position can be a top line player, as well as top-30 players who aren't on the top line?

How many top line wingers/centers are there?
- Feeling Glucky?

If you're talking about centers, there are only 30 spots for 1st line centers in the league, therefore if you're not putting up top 30 production, you're probably not considered a 1st line center, although their overall ability could make them a top line center.
If you're talking about wingers, there are 60 spots for 1st line wingers in the league. Obviously if you're not putting up top 60 points, you're probably not considered a 1st line winger but again, overall ability could.

What I think you're trying to get to is that the 67th best winger probably plays on the Predator's 1st line, doesn't that make him a 1st line winger? Not really, he's playing on the first line but that's because they don't have any better. His talent level is better suited for the 2nd line. Inversely you have Malkin playing on the 2nd line while his talent level is clearly better suited for 1st line.

If you're talking about centers, there are only 30 spots for 1st line centers in the league, therefore if you're not putting up top 30 production, you're probably not considered a 1st line center, although their overall ability could make them a top line center.
If you're talking about wingers, there are 60 spots for 1st line wingers in the league. Obviously if you're not putting up top 60 points, you're probably not considered a 1st line winger but again, overall ability could.

What I think you're trying to get to is that the 67th best winger probably plays on the Predator's 1st line, doesn't that make him a 1st line winger? Not really, he's playing on the first line but that's because they don't have any better. His talent level is better suited for the 2nd line. Inversely you have Malkin playing on the 2nd line while his talent level is clearly better suited for 1st line.
- Leito49

Yes, every team in the NHL has 2 first line wingers, and here's why:
Every team has a first line
Every team's first line has 2 wingers
Therefor, every team has 2 first line wingers.

If you're talking about centers, there are only 30 spots for 1st line centers in the league, therefore if you're not putting up top 30 production, you're probably not considered a 1st line center, although their overall ability could make them a top line center.
If you're talking about wingers, there are 60 spots for 1st line wingers in the league. Obviously if you're not putting up top 60 points, you're probably not considered a 1st line winger but again, overall ability could.

What I think you're trying to get to is that the 67th best winger probably plays on the Predator's 1st line, doesn't that make him a 1st line winger? Not really, he's playing on the first line but that's because they don't have any better. His talent level is better suited for the 2nd line. Inversely you have Malkin playing on the 2nd line while his talent level is clearly better suited for 1st line.
- Leito49

What determines a 1st line?

The line at the top of the chalk board in the dressing room?
The Minutes the Line Plays?
The collective point total of the line?
The names that show up beside first line in your EA sports NHL hockey?

This post is hilarious.

Yes, every team in the NHL has 2 first line wingers, and here's why:
Every team has a first line
Every team's first line has 2 wingers
Therefor, every team has 2 first line wingers.

Now, does this mean anyone who plays in those 2 spots is a superstar? No, it does not. Does it make them 2nd line wingers? No, it makes them 1st line wingers which is typically a spot given to your 2 best wingers.

Now, to the actual argument about whether Ryan O'Rielly is putting up 1st line winger numbers?

Let's see, I took the top 30(there's 30 teams) LWs and RWs and divided it to see the average last season.
The left wingers put up 1063 points in 1348 games. The best LW put up 1.25 PPG. The average LW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th LW put up 0.56 PPG
The right wingers put up 1086 points in 1382 games. The best RW put up 1.08 PPG. The average RW put up 0.79 PPG. The 30th RW put up 0.54 PPG.

O'Rielly put up 0.69, the season before that(55 pts in 81 games) he put up 0.68. He's on pace for 0.67 so far this season.
That puts him offensively below average for a first line winger(0.79) but way better than the worst 1st line wingers in the league. This doesn't take anything else into account, like his ability to play well defensively. The kid is 22 years old, he doesn't play on a stacked team and he logs a lot of minutes for the Avalanche.

This literally makes him a 1st line caliber winger, not a superstar, which may be the word you were looking for, but certainly worthy of being placed on most 1st lines in the NHL, especially if you take into account his ability to play well defensively and the fact that he's 22 years old and should(on paper) keep producing at this pace or better moving forward.

Doesn't mean he's worth 6.5M though, looking at you Feaster.
- Leito49

I'm betting no one has read this, not even glucky who is mocking you

From thesounds of it, Ottawa sun was reporting that no extention talks have begun bw the 2 and he might be leaning towards open market.

Avs apparently will move him if they get a 1st and a player for him.
- DDM-Coga

That's to much for Statsny. Maybe just a late first rounder.

I wouldn't like the Gagner for Enroth deal. We already have enough second line centers. Miller's a goner and despite what people may think Enroth would do great on many teams. The Sabres score 1.3 goals on average with him in net. I don't care if your Tuuka Rask or Henrik Lundqvist, you will not be putting up numbers with that type of offense in front of you.

Sabres got to keep Enroth for a few more years. He's turning into a good goalie. Just as good as Reimer or Bernier right now.

The Sabres should package Ehrhoff with Moulson try and get Oilers first, Hemsky and a couple of prospects. On condition Moulson resigns of course.

I'm betting no one has read this, not even glucky who is mocking you
- muffin_man

You should be right on that one. I got board couple sentences in lol.

I'm betting no one has read this, not even glucky who is mocking you
- muffin_man

Fully aware of it, it's pretty obvious by his answers, nevertheless worth replying to, for funsies.

What determines a 1st line?

The line at the top of the chalk board in the dressing room?
The Minutes the Line Plays?
The collective point total of the line?
The names that show up beside first line in your EA sports NHL hockey?
- 2gals1dane

Pretty sure you know the answer to that question.

Ultimately the point was to show that O'Rielly could play on most NHL teams' 1st line, seeing as that guy was saying it was ridiculous to consider O'Rielly a 1st line player.