Campbell would help us right now. Sadly.

And if we can get more out of it.. we do so.

Still don't think the Avs are gonna trade him at all, though.
- DutchCanSaveUs

i understand, but i was saying that if the basis of trading ROR is because of his QO and cap space issues, then trading him for campbell is totally counterproductive.

lost in this ROR qualifying offer talk is how they can structure the contract. does the AAV have to be greater $6.5 million or just the salary in the 1st year? because you can front load the contract if it's the latter and get him signed for an AAV around $5 million which will probably be a steal within a couple years. or offer him a 1 year $6.5 million deal which he'll probably decline because he'd want to be locked up long term and then negotiate a proper deal.
- rangerdanger94

His situation is really unique in the possibilities. Yes, he can sign a longer term deal where the AAV doesn't have to be 6.5; however, he is 22 and if he is guaranteed to make 6.5 for a 1 year deal that allows him to be a UFA at the end of next season, he and his agent have to know that there would be a lot of cash out there waiting for him.

I think a lot of them were aware? Don't get me wrong I like Clarkson, always have. He's a good player but when I heard what his contract was and that he signed in Toronto I knew it was a recipe for disaster. I predicted a buy out in two years, I may have overestimated?
- Cptmjl

a lot of them are aware, but there's a vast majority that were saying 2 days ago in their thread that they think that it's only 30 games and clarkson will turn it around and score 20+ goals multiple times over the course of his deal and will be a mainstay on the 2nd line. they say that they know he's overpaid, but they're okay with it because it's only a small overpayment for what he brings mixed with his "offense". they could get prust for half the price and he brings more than clarkson

it seems like they think his deal is a $1-1.5 million overpayment...they don't realize it's more like $3 million overpayment.

i understand, but i was saying that if the basis of trading ROR is because of his QO and cap space issues, then trading him for campbell is totally counterproductive.
- rangerdanger94

It's not the cap space issues as much as it is the precedent it sets in the locker room. There has been a lot made of O'Reilly and Duchene's relationship because of last season, and I think that it is a win-win situation to move O'Reilly for players and pieces that can help this team while avoiding the potential for another contract ordeal.

It's not the cap space issues as much as it is the precedent it sets in the locker room. There has been a lot made of O'Reilly and Duchene's relationship because of last season, and I think that it is a win-win situation to move O'Reilly for players and pieces that can help this team while avoiding the potential for another contract ordeal.
- rogerjspain

yea i thought you were the guy that was saying you don't think o'reilly is worth $6.5 million. got confused because you both don't have avatars

edit: i think you are the guy, reading back a couple pages. well i still understand your reasons to deal him, and if you ever become GM of the avs, please trade him to the rangers

This thread sucks.....

yea i thought you were the guy that was saying you don't think o'reilly is worth $6.5 million. got confused because you both don't have avatars

edit: i think you are the guy, reading back a couple pages. well i still understand your reasons to deal him, and if you ever become GM of the avs, please trade him to the rangers
- rangerdanger94

Ha, yeah, I am that guy. If we could have his contract at $5-$5.5 for 5-6 years, perfect, but given the last contract situation, I just don't see that happening.

This thread sucks.....
- Iggysbff

It has Gagner, Enroth, and Ehrhoff in the headline..... Did you expect anything else?

if you're dealing ROR because you think he's not worth the $6.5 million qualifying offer (he's a 22 year old top defensive forward in the league with a seemingly limitless ceiling) then i can't imagine it would be for a 2nd pairing defenseman who is making $7.5 million a year and is old enough to be declining soon.
- rangerdanger94

Letang... but Pens wont move him, they should at least consider it.. but not Shero s style

at the time that statement was made, yes. duchene was having an off year and ROR was centering their top line. i can't find the exact CBC article, but here's proof of the statement being said during an intermission report:
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1352337

note that he is being sarcastic about the schroeder comment.


speculation and predictions? ROR IS A TOP 10 OR TOP 5 DEFENSIVE FORWARD IN THE LEAGUE TODAY. that is a FACT and a common consensus among anyone that actually watches ROR play multiple times a year. at the age of 22. it is VERY clear that you don't watch ROR play often, if ever and you are simply arguing now just so you don't have to admit your wrong and look stupid.
- rangerdanger94

I really like RoR. And as much as people are being idiots calling him a third liner and such, he's definitely not top 5 in the league defensively. Just off the top of my head, Backes, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Kesler, Bergeron, Krejci, Parise, MKoivu (although not as strong as he once was). Among others. Top ten is a stretch.

I really like RoR. And as much as people are being idiots calling him a third liner and such, he's definitely not top 5 in the league defensively. Just off the top of my head, Backes, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Kesler, Bergeron, Krejci, Parise, MKoivu (although not as strong as he once was). Among others. Top ten is a stretch.
- prock

saying top 10 is arbitrary and based a lot on opinion. i think he is better defensively than krejci, parise, backes, and koivu, personally. i think kopitar too, but that's close.

this post says everything you need to know about canadians. if it's not about them when it's a discussion on hockey, it sucks. fck off canadian scum!
- rangerdanger94

maybe it's just that the thread sucks.

This thread sucks.....
- Iggysbff

It's suddenly gotten better now that you have arrived.

Letang... but Pens wont move him, they should at least consider it.. but not Shero s style
- Brianandr1

It may become his style soon?

maybe it's just that the thread sucks.
- Morris

This thread sucks.

While I dont like RoR for Grads from an avs standpoint, I dont see the leafs trading for a player who could demand a 6.5 mil cap hit after the clarkson and Phany signings

While I dont like RoR for Grads from an avs standpoint, I dont see the leafs trading for a player who could demand a 6.5 mil cap hit after the clarkson and Phany signings
- Meeqsb

I think that's the hardest part when it comes to moving him, there's just not a huge market for him. He's a great player, but there's not a ton of options when it comes to moving him.

this post says everything you need to know about canadians. if it's not about them when it's a discussion on hockey, it sucks. fck off canadian scum!
- rangerdanger94

While I dont like RoR for Grads from an avs standpoint, I dont see the leafs trading for a player who could demand a 6.5 mil cap hit after the clarkson and Phany signings
- Meeqsb

ya but this guy would actually be worth the money

Zach Bogosian (3rd overall 2008) and Mark Stuart for ROR. Avs get a top 2-3 defenseman still improving and 5-6 pairing D with Stewey (who went to college in Colorado). Jets get a lot better at center/L. Some might even like Buff straight up for ROR.

Uh, no.. very wrong dude.

Watch more hockey.
- DutchCanSaveUs

the haters that only respect elite scorers are flat out wrong about ROR"s value. he's a great player.

but you're no better at all. and you're really coming off like a douche. you keep using the 'watch more hockey' diss as if it somehow strengthens your point.
it doesnt.

ror is not in the same class as the hall's or oel's. im sorry but that's just the way it is.

he's an extremely solid 2 way player and could help so many teams. and getting better. but to start talking about him being as valuable as these young franchise players and then attempt to call OTHER people stupid for completely disagreeing makes you look silly.
would you trade matt duchene straight up for ROR?? of course not.

If you took off the homer glasses for 1 second and stopped insulting people, maybe you'd realize that for the most part ROR has been anything but trashed in this thread. But more given his due and put in the tier of nhl'er he belongs.
WHICH IS NOT ELITE FRANCHISE

either that, or maybe it's YOU who needs to start watching more hockey and find a better understanding of the game...

- nbboy

i jest i jest

I wouldn't count out Bozak so quickly as a first line centre. While he is not there yet, I think he can be a potential top centre. Why? Because ever since his injury, his play has improved vastly. He's playing with more heart and determination and it has showed off with his HOT point streak. This coming from a Leafs fan that hasn't really like Bozak before now. Never know though, he could go back to his old ways.

Montreal should be offering up Diaz + for O'Reiley. Exactly the type of player Montreal needs.

It may become his style soon?
- Cptmjl

For what reason? There by far the best team in the east and 9 2 this year against the west... Bennett and Martin coming back from injury.... Letang has been hurt much of the season but he was a beast last night in vancouver... looked like the norris trophy candidate of last season finally... considering what subban is about to get from Montreal ... his 7.25 per is a bargain.. That being said their loaded with d prospects
They listen if kane, eberle or ROR is coming back