I couldnt be any more in disagreement with this.
- eddieavs

+1

I'd roll and Roy/Sakic would be on the chopping block if they did that bs.

No way in hell we trade RoR for anything less than a top 2, ESTABLISHED D guy.

I don't care what you idiots say.. you don't watch enough hockey if you don't think that's what he's worth. Sad part is, we likely will move him for said D man because Staz has been here longer and will fit the same place as RoR

You can disagree with it all you want, but a top line of Landy-Duchene-Clarkson isn't terrible looking, especially considering the price tag on ROR. I would love to keep him on this team, but his decision last year has put the club in an enormous bind, and because of that it is looking more and more like he is going to have to get moved or we will lose him for nothing. Take the best package, where you get multiple pieces that can help the team, and move on from this entire debacle.

Gardiner
Clarkson
McClement

for

ROR
- rogerjspain

clarkson is a 3rd line player. that is a horrible return. that's quantity for quality when you guys should be looking at quality for quality.

You can disagree with it all you want, but a top line of Landy-Duchene-Clarkson isn't terrible looking, especially considering the price tag on ROR. I would love to keep him on this team, but his decision last year has put the club in an enormous bind, and because of that it is looking more and more like he is going to have to get moved or we will lose him for nothing. Take the best package, where you get multiple pieces that can help the team, and move on from this entire debacle.

Gardiner
Clarkson
McClement

for

ROR
- rogerjspain

Gardiner is Barrie+
Clarkson sucks, that's why you want to move him to us, moron
McClement was already here once.

NO.

You can disagree with it all you want, but a top line of Landy-Duchene-Clarkson isn't terrible looking, especially considering the price tag on ROR. I would love to keep him on this team, but his decision last year has put the club in an enormous bind, and because of that it is looking more and more like he is going to have to get moved or we will lose him for nothing. Take the best package, where you get multiple pieces that can help the team, and move on from this entire debacle.

Gardiner
Clarkson
McClement

for

ROR
- rogerjspain

Number 1. The avs will most definitely qualify him before losing him for nothing.

But just so I understand, you want to move ROR, and David Clarkson is someone youd want back?

Clarkson, whom some leaf fans already are wanting to be bought out?

I have no idea what this enormous bind you speak of is?

Either you are uninformed about RORs status, or you dont understand it.

Number 1. The avs will most definitely qualify him before losing him for nothing.

But just so I understand, you want to move ROR, and David Clarkson is someone youd want back?

Clarkson, whom some leaf fans already are wanting to be bought out?

I have no idea what this enormous bind you speak of is?

Either you are uninformed about RORs status, or you dont understand it.
- eddieavs

at the risk of getting attacked by a mob of defensive leaf fans that still have hope clarkson will be a top 6 player and haven't watched him for more than the 30 games he's played this year, i've watched clarkson throughout his entire career with the devils. well, 80% of his career. i mean i've literally watched 80% of the devils games he's ever played in, so i really know this guy. and he is NOTHING more than a 3rd line player. he's an above average 3rd line player, but that's his role and where he belongs. and he currently has, along with clowe, the worst contract in the entire NHL and leaf fans who don't want to believe this yet will soon.

Gardiner is Barrie+
Clarkson sucks, that's why you want to move him to us, moron
McClement was already here once.

NO.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Clarkson is not a bad hockey player, he is overpaid for the skill set he brings, yes, but bringing on his attitude and "get to the front of the net" can help this young team. He's also not afraid to stick up for his team mates, which is something else that this team is in need of.

McClement was a very good role player for this team when he was here. He won faceoffs, something that this team is struggling with (big time) and can be a fantastic bottom 6 center to help balance out this team for the rest of the year.

Gardiner is a better player than Barrie, still figuring out his game, but can round out nicely with the right partner.

And the bind I speak of, is the message it sends to a young locker room. O'Reilly made it clear last year that he is bigger than the success of the team.

Also to make it clear, I would rather move ROR to a different team with a top pairing D-Man, but given his current contract status, and all of the uncertainty surrounding him, what team will part with a top tier d-man at the deadline? The Avs would get the best return for him at the draft, but there's that whole contract situation again.

Clarkson is not a bad hockey player, he is overpaid for the skill set he brings, yes, but bringing on his attitude and "get to the front of the net" can help this young team. He's also not afraid to stick up for his team mates, which is something else that this team is in need of.

McClement was a very good role player for this team when he was here. He won faceoffs, something that this team is struggling with (big time) and can be a fantastic bottom 6 center to help balance out this team for the rest of the year.

Gardiner is a better player than Barrie, still figuring out his game, but can round out nicely with the right partner.
- rogerjspain

If colorado is truly looking for a get to the front of the net kind of player, we can find a cheaper guy that wont cost us OReilly.

Clarkson does not have the offensive capability, and I certainly dont want to pay 5,25M for the next 7 years to watch Clarkson skating around on the avs.

If the avs arent going to get a capable 2 way defenseman, theres zero reason to move him unless he wants to be traded.

Id rather pay ROR his QO than trade for that package.

In fact, i'm quite good at telling futures. Wanna free reading?

Calgary is still going to suck next year.

How's that? Enjoy never winning a stanley cup.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Yes I know ... It's called rebuilding ... It's what the avs have been doing for a few years now ...your right the flames have never won the cup ... Maybe one day tho we will get our first

Clarkson is not a bad hockey player, he is overpaid for the skill set he brings, yes, but bringing on his attitude and "get to the front of the net" can help this young team. He's also not afraid to stick up for his team mates, which is something else that this team is in need of.

McClement was a very good role player for this team when he was here. He won faceoffs, something that this team is struggling with (big time) and can be a fantastic bottom 6 center to help balance out this team for the rest of the year.

Gardiner is a better player than Barrie, still figuring out his game, but can round out nicely with the right partner.


And the bind I speak of, is the message it sends to a young locker room. O'Reilly made it clear last year that he is bigger than the success of the team.
- rogerjspain

Most optimistic post of the year on HB right here.

That's not happening in ten million years with Sakic and Roy at the helm.

Stop even trying to justify it 'possibly' happening, because it's not going to.

If either Staz or RoR are moved it will be for a top 2 proven D man. We will overpay a bit if we must, but it will happen no other way.

We do not need more offense.

at the risk of getting attacked by a mob of defensive leaf fans that still have hope clarkson will be a top 6 player and haven't watched him for more than the 30 games he's played this year, i've watched clarkson throughout his entire career with the devils. well, 80% of his career. i mean i've literally watched 80% of the devils games he's ever played in, so i really know this guy. and he is NOTHING more than a 3rd line player. he's an above average 3rd line player, but that's his role and where he belongs. and he currently has, along with clowe, the worst contract in the entire NHL and leaf fans who don't want to believe this yet will soon.
- rangerdanger94

Agreed. A great third liner is a good description. I wanted clarkson when I heard his contract demands I cracked up, good player but not at that price. Also agree on Clowe. Lamerello was in full desperation mode with that one. Total head scratcher contract.

Clarkson is not a bad hockey player, he is overpaid for the skill set he brings, yes, but bringing on his attitude and "get to the front of the net" can help this young team. He's also not afraid to stick up for his team mates, which is something else that this team is in need of.

McClement was a very good role player for this team when he was here. He won faceoffs, something that this team is struggling with (big time) and can be a fantastic bottom 6 center to help balance out this team for the rest of the year.

Gardiner is a better player than Barrie, still figuring out his game, but can round out nicely with the right partner.


And the bind I speak of, is the message it sends to a young locker room. O'Reilly made it clear last year that he is bigger than the success of the team.
- rogerjspain

your better off going after roussel if you want a clarkson-like player. need to remember that clarkson will also most likely start to decline as soon as next season due to his age and playing style...which is pretty terrible because he's already nothing more than a 3rd liner.

And even then, is Monahan going to be better than RoR? Likely not. So again, moot point. leaf fans lol..
- DutchCanSaveUs

Likely not ?? I thought you could read the future .... Guess your visions get a little cloudy sometimes

Most optimistic post of the year on HB right here.

That's not happening in ten million years with Sakic and Roy at the helm.

Stop even trying to justify it 'possibly' happening, because it's not going to.

If either Staz or RoR are moved it will be for a top 2 proven D man. We will overpay a bit if we must, but it will happen no other way.

We do not need more offense.
- DutchCanSaveUs

I am optimistic about this team, and they have an opportunity to bring in pieces to help them win by moving O'Reilly. Again, given his contract status, what team do you see moving a top-2 defenseman at the deadline for him?

Agreed. A great third liner is a good description. I wanted clarkson when I heard his contract demands I cracked up, good player but not at that price. Also agree on Clowe. Lamerello was in full desperation mode with that one. Total head scratcher contract.
- Cptmjl

you've probably watched him as much as i have, or close to it, while he was on the devils as you live in the same market and seem like a hockey fan that watches any game when it's on. the leaf fans will know soon enough.

I am optimistic about this team, and they have an opportunity to bring in pieces to help them win by moving O'Reilly. Again, given his contract status, what team do you see moving a top-2 defenseman at the deadline for him?
- rogerjspain

I wouldn't mind some of the pieces Florida has.

They are not going to compete this year. We have cap space. Our PP.. had been pretty bad til the last week or 10 days.

I would take a shot @ Campbell. No that's not a joke. He is a proven vet who can QB a PP (and right (frank)ing now) and help on both sides of the puck. He's been around and won plenty of games in his career..

Our D is a joke right now outside of EJ and Hejda.

And I live in the Bay Area.. N.Cal.. Clowe's contract is worse than anybody outside of Clarkson. It's true. What a nightmare. Lou should blow that poop up and retire.

I am optimistic about this team, and they have an opportunity to bring in pieces to help them win by moving O'Reilly. Again, given his contract status, what team do you see moving a top-2 defenseman at the deadline for him?
- rogerjspain

i think the rangers would love to move girardi for ROR, but i don't think that's enough...even if girardi was extended.

i seriously think that dealing ROR to bring in pieces to win is a terrible move. ROR is the type of piece you bring in to win and your team, outside of landeskog, doesn't really have any other guy that brings the same intangibles that ROR does that cup winning teams need.

I wouldn't mind some of the pieces Florida has.

They are not going to compete this year. We have cap space. Our PP.. had been pretty bad til the last week or 10 days.

I would take a shot @ Campbell. No that's not a joke. He is a proven vet who can QB a PP (and right (frank)ing now) and help on both sides of the puck. He's been around and won plenty of games in his career..

Our D is a joke right now outside of EJ and Hejda.

And I live in the Bay Area.. N.Cal.. Clowe's contract is worse than anybody outside of Clarkson. It's true. What a nightmare. Lou should blow that poop up and retire.
- DutchCanSaveUs

if you're dealing ROR because you think he's not worth the $6.5 million qualifying offer (he's a 22 year old top defensive forward in the league with a seemingly limitless ceiling) then i can't imagine it would be for a 2nd pairing defenseman who is making $7.5 million a year and is old enough to be declining soon.

you've probably watched him as much as i have, or close to it, while he was on the devils as you live in the same market and seem like a hockey fan that watches any game when it's on. the leaf fans will know soon enough.
- rangerdanger94

I think a lot of them were aware? Don't get me wrong I like Clarkson, always have. He's a good player but when I heard what his contract was and that he signed in Toronto I knew it was a recipe for disaster. I predicted a buy out in two years, I may have overestimated?

i think the rangers would love to move girardi for ROR, but i don't think that's enough...even if girardi was extended.

i seriously think that dealing ROR to bring in pieces to win is a terrible move. ROR is the type of piece you bring in to win and your team, outside of landeskog, doesn't really have any other guy that brings the same intangibles that ROR does that cup winning teams need.
- rangerdanger94

Pretty much.

Boston isn't trading Bergeron. I'm not sure why it's such a stretch to think the Avs won't trade RoR. Same situation.

You can't replace guys like him w/o overpaying. Keep him. Give him the same type of contracts as Dutchie and Landy.. maybe pay him just a 'hair' less per. He will agree. He wants to win. This team is going to win in the near future. Just the way it is.

Roy will not accept failure.

i think the rangers would love to move girardi for ROR, but i don't think that's enough...even if girardi was extended.

i seriously think that dealing ROR to bring in pieces to win is a terrible move. ROR is the type of piece you bring in to win and your team, outside of landeskog, doesn't really have any other guy that brings the same intangibles that ROR does that cup winning teams need.
- rangerdanger94

Would you do Staal for ROR?

lost in this ROR qualifying offer talk is how they can structure the contract. does the AAV have to be greater $6.5 million or just the salary in the 1st year? because you can front load the contract if it's the latter and get him signed for an AAV around $5 million which will probably be a steal within a couple years. or offer him a 1 year $6.5 million deal which he'll probably decline because he'd want to be locked up long term and then negotiate a proper deal.

You can disagree with it all you want, but a top line of Landy-Duchene-Clarkson isn't terrible looking, especially considering the price tag on ROR. I would love to keep him on this team, but his decision last year has put the club in an enormous bind, and because of that it is looking more and more like he is going to have to get moved or we will lose him for nothing. Take the best package, where you get multiple pieces that can help the team, and move on from this entire debacle.

Gardiner
Clarkson
McClement

for

ROR
- rogerjspain

Nonis is waiting anxiously by the phone...

if you're dealing ROR because you think he's not worth the $6.5 million qualifying offer (he's a 22 year old top defensive forward in the league with a seemingly limitless ceiling) then i can't imagine it would be for a 2nd pairing defenseman who is making $7.5 million a year and is old enough to be declining soon.
- rangerdanger94

Campbell would help us right now. Sadly.

And if we can get more out of it.. we do so.

Still don't think the Avs are gonna trade him at all, though.

lost in this ROR qualifying offer talk is how they can structure the contract. does the AAV have to be greater $6.5 million or just the salary in the 1st year? because you can front load the contract if it's the latter and get him signed for an AAV around $5 million which will probably be a steal within a couple years. or offer him a 1 year $6.5 million deal which he'll probably decline because he'd want to be locked up long term and then negotiate a proper deal.
- rangerdanger94

We can offer him anything we want and if he signs great.

I think the QO only counts if he goes after the season. could be wrong.

Would you do Staal for ROR?
- rogerjspain

yes i would, but it would have to be a staal + brassard for ROR + defenseman deal due to salary issues probably