I would, as should most of the league. Hall is elite, O'Reilly doesn't have his skills
- sbroads24

Yes, because everyone knows the Avs are severely lacking offensive talent/upside, in fact SO MUCH SO that it would be wise to trade our best 2 way player for somebody who is a worse version of somebody we already have.

Awesome thinking there. We could in theory just turn ourselves into.. the oilers?

All go and no d? Hey why not, working for them eh? LOL

It's so funny, yesterday it was Pens fans saying that Kunitz is a top 3 sniper in the NHL.

Today it's O'Reilly should be paid more than establish cup winners because he has potential of being a 60point defensive player.

What will it be tomorrow?
- l3ig_l2ecl

I'll bite ...Brian Burke will announce jay feaster as one of the possible candidates as new GM because he likes his truculence

So O'Reilly is elite defensively? Not just average?
I'm really trying to learn this +- stat. So last year when he finished -3, because Colorado was dreadful, he was average defensively, but this year he's above average because he's plus 3?
- l3ig_l2ecl

OReilly has been a very good defensive player from the start. But more specifically since he was moved into a top 6 role in his 3rd year.

Ive never used +/- as a stat to show defensive ability nor have I advocated that anyone should.

I specifically said its a very dangerous statistic to use.

ROR has played against top competition for the last 3 seasons. Over that span, hes among the leaders in the entire league in takeaways. In the last full NHL season, he led the league. He does this, getting virtually no penalties. Hes strong on faceoffs. His giveaway to takeaway ratio, is ridiculous. His advanced stats show hes a player who drives offense, and makes players around him better.

Its really really odd to see people question his defense. Thats been his strength since he came into the league as an 18 year old. He's only become more efficient.
The knock on him was his skating and whether or not he could produce offensively. Hes significantly improved those areas as well.

OReilly has been a very good defensive player from the start. But more specifically since he was moved into a top 6 role in his 3rd year.

Ive never used +/- as a stat to show defensive ability.

ROR has played against top competition for the last 3 seasons. Over that span, hes among the leaders in the entire league in takeaways. In the last full NHL season, he led the league. He does this, getting virtually no penalties. Hes strong on faceoffs. His giveaway to takeaway ratio, is ridiculous. His advanced stats show hes a player who drives offense, and makes players around him better.

Its really really odd to see people question his defense. Thats been his strength since he came into the league as an 18 year old. He's only become more efficient.
The knock on him was his skating and whether or not he could produce offensively. Hes significantly improved those areas as well.
- eddieavs

RoR has zero PIM's this year. Lol.

Yes, because everyone knows the Avs are severely lacking offensive talent/upside, in fact SO MUCH SO that it would be wise to trade our best 2 way player for somebody who is a worse version of somebody we already have.

Awesome thinking there. We could in theory just turn ourselves into.. the oilers?

All go and no d? Hey why not, working for them eh? LOL
- DutchCanSaveUs

Xanax...take some

Xanax...take some
- sbroads24

I'm wrong so i'm going to insult you.

OReilly has been a very good defensive player from the start. But more specifically since he was moved into a top 6 role in his 3rd year.

Ive never used +/- as a stat to show defensive ability.

ROR has played against top competition for the last 3 seasons. Over that span, hes among the leaders in the entire league in takeaways. In the last full NHL season, he led the league. He does this, getting virtually no penalties. Hes strong on faceoffs. His giveaway to takeaway ratio, is ridiculous. His advanced stats show hes a player who drives offense, and makes players around him better.

Its really really odd to see people question his defense. Thats been his strength since he came into the league as an 18 year old. He's only become more efficient.
The knock on him was his skating and whether or not he could produce offensively. Hes significantly improved those areas as well.
- eddieavs

No one questions his defence. It's some funny guys suggesting that his defensive play is worth more than Datsyuk or Hall because his +- are higher.

RoR has zero PIM's this year. Lol.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Brian Burke would say "he plays with no intensity, never has, never will"......

No one questions his defence. It's some funny guys suggesting that his defensive play is worth more than Datsyuk or Hall because his +- are higher.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Well, I agre thats ridiculous as well.

But I think you were questioning me on it when it wasnt me who ever said it.

His defensive play bridges some of the value gap between him and Hall, but it definitely doesnt make up for it.

I'll bite ...Brian Burke will announce jay feaster as one of the possible candidates as new GM because he likes his truculence
- Redmile247

Dennis Seidenberg will back in the Boston lineup only a week after ACL/MCL reconstructive surgery. e5

Pavel Datsyuk is -2....

This means Ryan O'Reilly is Greater than Datsyuk.....

I see where you're getting at. Keep going, this is good stuff
- l3ig_l2ecl

Thank you!

Brian Burke would say "he plays with no intensity, never has, never will"......
- l3ig_l2ecl

Ryan Burke? Ahh, quick edit by the dude who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about...

I'll bite ...Brian Burke will announce jay feaster as one of the possible candidates as new GM because he likes his truculence
- Redmile247

(frank)ing "truculence"

Brian Burke would say "he plays with no intensity, never has, never will"......
- l3ig_l2ecl

He can't spell the word intensity

Well, I agre thats ridiculous as well.

But I think you were questioning me on it when it wasnt me who ever said it.

His defensive play bridges some of the value gap between him and Hall, but it definitely doesnt make up for it.
- eddieavs

Yes it does. Ask the Oilers defensemen and Goalie if it matters.

ROR to CGY for a First and a Third

Yes it does. Ask the Oilers defensemen and Goalie if it matters.
- DutchCanSaveUs

OMG Dude

ROR to CGY for a First and a Third
- FlamesFan12

It was obviously a good decision to match.

Hopefully contract negotiations go smoother this time around.

I'm wrong so i'm going to insult you.
- DutchCanSaveUs

It wasn't an insult, more of a suggestion.

Ryan O'Reilly is an excellent player. He is not as good as Taylor Hall. Taylor Hall's +/- would be similar to ROR's if he was on the Av's.

+/- is an indicator, not a direct reflection of on ice preformance. If your team has an awful goal differential, chances are your +/- will suck.

Taylor Hall would be an absolute monster on a good/great team, that's not a fact that's mu opinion based on watching him play. ROR wouldn't be as effective playing on the Oilers either or have as good of a +/- because he would be put in a lot more compromising situations based on their lack of D and goaltending.

Did you see prock blow a gasket on that one post, Priceless
- 2gals1dane

This is gold.

Between the +/- argument and people thinking certain players who aren't on team canada should be on team canada simply because they have more points than someone who is on team Canada with less points is priceless.

It wasn't an insult, more of a suggestion.

Ryan O'Reilly is an excellent player. He is not as good as Taylor Hall. Taylor Hall's +/- would be similar to ROR's if he was on the Av's.

+/- is an indicator, not a direct reflection of on ice preformance. If your team has an awful goal differential, chances are your +/- will suck.

Taylor Hall would be an absolute monster on a good/great team, that's not a fact that's mu opinion based on watching him play. ROR wouldn't be as effective playing on the Oilers either or have as good of a +/- because he would be put in a lot more compromising situations based on their lack of D and goaltending.
- sbroads24

I agree with almost all...

except...

the avs d is lacking also.

It wasn't an insult, more of a suggestion.

Ryan O'Reilly is an excellent player. He is not as good as Taylor Hall. Taylor Hall's +/- would be similar to ROR's if he was on the Av's.

+/- is an indicator, not a direct reflection of on ice preformance. If your team has an awful goal differential, chances are your +/- will suck.

Taylor Hall would be an absolute monster on a good/great team, that's not a fact that's mu opinion based on watching him play. ROR wouldn't be as effective playing on the Oilers either or have as good of a +/- because he would be put in a lot more compromising situations based on their lack of D and goaltending.
- sbroads24

So this is kind of saying, Ovechkins' +45 in 2009-10 didn't mean he was great in his own zone?

Dude!!!! Stop making so much freaken sense....

I'm gonna go out a 'limb' here and pretend Hall plays 1st line minutes with the top D pairing in Edmonton, yes?

So are we just saying all 5 of them suck suck suck?

Well, ok. Yeah we could say that. Ok I lose.. if this is where we all admit the Oilers are a joke and will never amount to anything, will blow this up and do the rebuild all over?

Because it's pretty obvious it's going to happen. They can't honestly believe MacT is the answer, and that giving Ference that contract was going to help.. get real.

We could all run that team better.
- DutchCanSaveUs

I could agree to this. The team defense is just garbage, the dmen are terrible and this "rebuild" has possibly been the worst rebuild in history.

Hall is gonna request a trade...or at least I hope for his sake he does.

I agree with almost all...

except...

the avs d is lacking also.
- eddieavs

They are lacking but not to the extent of the Oilers, that whole team is basically a mess. I'm convinced Shea Weber wouldnt help that much until they make a trade, scare some of that youth into caring, and getting a veteran take no sh!t coach

OMG Dude

- l3ig_l2ecl

Weber and Nash are the only two guys on TC who are - right now.

I'd argue Nash shouldn't even be going. Couture would have been a far better pick.

But no, it doesn't matter. Even E.Staal missed. He's a huge - as well as Hall.

Both missed. Hrm. Odd, right?