3 more games and they give Anaheim a 2nd.
- Bigzby

Who cares? This is about winning not a 2nd rounder.

Anybody know who is gonna center the 4th line?

Thank god? lol guess you haven't been watching Holland play this year. I kind of get this move, as Toronto perhaps think he's being mis-used on the 4th line but perhaps he should be getting more playing time on the 3rd line over McClement, especially when they're down in games. Not a huge fan of Ashton.
- blahman20

Who is?

Anybody know who is gonna center the 4th line?
- TheThrill

Carlton the Bear...does it really matter? They get 4mins a game.

Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
LR (ICYMI): On the leadership conferences between Phaneuf, Lupul and McClement as they search for answers.
- Fruitcakenipple

Will this be another "Ya what Lups said!" by our captain?

Who cares? This is about winning not a 2nd rounder.
- blahman20

spoken like a true leafs fan and leafs management

Not many cubby guys on the top team in this league. Imagine if Phil spent the time to get in shape. Or a least get rid of the second chin.
- bixll

one day he will have to

he'll start to slow down a bit and his production will begin to tail off

James Mirtle @mirtle
Bottom line is Holland is 22 and should be playing more than he has been. But I think he's good enough to get those minutes with Leafs.

i will change my name to mirtle of doom
- senstroll

MOD?

yeah,,. he's young.. if we intend on holding him to that then they have to insist on it from kessel as well.. kessel is a leader on this team.. why will the young guys think its important to stay in shape when the star forward looks like the pilsbury doughboy?

its gotta start with the attitudes of the core players. it trickles down from there.
- Dozzer

Ok leave Bibendum out of this.

He has a strict off ice work out routine consisting of pretending to bike, and playing ping pong.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH see?!?!?!?
- Dozzer

Who is?
- bixll

Ashton in 2012/13
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 53 11 8 19 67 5

Ashton in 2013/14
2013-14 Toronto Marlies AHL 14 10 5 15 14 6

That's improvement.

Who cares? This is about winning not a 2nd rounder.
- blahman20

ya exactly.
however, the leafs have traded away 2nd rounders like they were 1st rounders in the past 8 months.

spoken like a true leafs fan and leafs management
- senstroll

Yeah because 2nd rounders are guaranteed to turn into something. Holland is worth that 2nd rounder the way he's played. Now i'm reminded why I never come on here anymore.

Carlton the Bear...does it really matter? They get 4mins a game.
- blahman20

Cool. I'm still curious to see who slots in there

James Mirtle @mirtle
Bottom line is Holland is 22 and should be playing more than he has been. But I think he's good enough to get those minutes with Leafs.
- Fruitcakenipple

Fo'sure!

Thank god? lol guess you haven't been watching Holland play this year. I kind of get this move, as Toronto perhaps think he's being mis-used on the 4th line but perhaps he should be getting more playing time on the 3rd line over McClement, especially when they're down in games. Not a huge fan of Ashton.
- blahman20

I watch 95% of the games, drug habit and alcoholism permitting.

So youd trade a second for a 4th line center who is going to play 4 mins a game?

GMOFDAYEAR

Ashton in 2012/13
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 53 11 8 19 67 5

Ashton in 2013/14
2013-14 Toronto Marlies AHL 14 10 5 15 14 6

That's improvement.
- mykokes

Point per in the A, is what in the big league. Ryan Strome was tearing the A a new one, and has been just OK in the NHL.

Who cares? This is about winning not a 2nd rounder.
- blahman20

holland was 15th overall in the first round.. ashton was 29th overall in the first round

Yeah because 2nd rounders are guaranteed to turn into something. Holland is worth that 2nd rounder the way he's played. Now i'm reminded why I never come on here anymore.
- blahman20

we are going on the 10th or 11th non rebuilding rebuild plan that has failed and we shouldnt care about picks

This move isn't going to make or break anything, but I just thought Holland should have gotten more of a chance to prove himself with more mins than he did over the past few games. He's shown he has pretty good offensive skills, and Toronto hasn't been exactly lighting up the score board lately. I'd have this team set up different, with McClement on the 4th line, McClaren in the press box and Holland manning the 3rd line. I do get why Carlyle wants McClement out there because of his defensive abilities a long with face-off prowess, but he has pretty much 0 offensive upside. Ah well.

we are going on the 10th or 11th non rebuilding rebuild plan that has failed and we shouldnt care about picks
- senstroll

What?

I watch 95% of the games, drug habit and alcoholism permitting.

So youd trade a second for a 4th line center who is going to play 4 mins a game?

GMOFDAYEAR
- Bigzby

Are you high? My point is Holland shouldn't be on the 4th line and getting 4mins Per game. Toronto rolling 3 lines is going to come back to burn them in the long run. McClaren and Orr should never play together, EVER.

we are going on the 10th or 11th non rebuilding rebuild plan that has failed and we shouldnt care about picks
- senstroll

The mentality of MLSE is the leafs are not rebuilding...so yes...they shouldn't.

Yeah because 2nd rounders are guaranteed to turn into something. Holland is worth that 2nd rounder the way he's played. Now i'm reminded why I never come on here anymore.
- blahman20

If he's playing second line minutes hes worth the pic, if he isn't he is not.

Make sense?