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AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jan 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
So as 2014 would everyone agree outside of Hagg and Morin who are both raw the only other potentional prospects are as follows:

Alt: steady 2 way dmen with good mobilty. Future 2nd or 3rd pairing guy who can be paired with a stay at home defencemen. Should start contending for a roster spot next year, but more likely first call up if a mobile d is injuried in 2014/2015

Lauridsen: big, long, physical player who knows his role. Future 6/7 and PK guy. Shouldn't make the team next year but could be used as a call up to fill the Hal Gill role next year if needed.

Gostisbehere: smaller offensive minded dmen with great mobilty. If he learns how to use his frame correctly (like Kimmo does) can be a useful complimentary piece on any pairing (most likely 3rd) and can run a top pp unit. Hopefully starts his pro career next year in the AHL and plays 2 years before pushing for a roster spot.

Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
[quote=Jsaquella]


40's the new 30.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 6 @ 2:30 PM ET
MArkedly better. Weber struggled last year, but he's been better this year. Suter should have won Norris last year and so far is the runaway leader, IMO.
- Jsaquella


And to think, the Flyers had their own Suter in Matt Carle (according to that much cited Broad Street Hockey article). That comparison gets more laughable by the minute.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 6 @ 2:32 PM ET
And to think, the Flyers had their own Suter in Matt Carle (according to that much cited Broad Street Hockey article). That comparison gets more laughable by the minute.
- exlund



Speaking of which, Carle's not having a half-bad season in Tampa--but no where close to Suter's level.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 6 @ 2:36 PM ET
And to think, the Flyers had their own Suter in Matt Carle (according to that much cited Broad Street Hockey article). That comparison gets more laughable by the minute.
- exlund


All that showed was a comparable Corsi. I'll admit, I felt Weber helped Suter more than the other way around. Now that Suter's in Minnesota, it's obvious that he wasn't carried by anyone.

Of course either would be helpful to the Flyers right now.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
All that showed was a comparable Corsi. I'll admit, I felt Weber helped Suter more than the other way around. Now that Suter's in Minnesota, it's obvious that he wasn't carried by anyone.

Of course either would be helpful to the Flyers right now.

- Jsaquella



True...but would only add Carle at his price if I could swap for Streit (who, for his part, has been getting better as of late).
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 6 @ 2:52 PM ET
Speaking of which, Carle's not having a half-bad season in Tampa--but no where close to Suter's level.
- Moose_15


He has his good games once in a while but has been largely underwhelming and a disappointment in Tampa. Guys like Hedman, Gudas and old man Salo are having more impact (at lower salary). As I've said, I doubt Yzerman makes that offer to Carle if he had the chance to do it over again.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 6 @ 2:58 PM ET
So as 2014 would everyone agree outside of Hagg and Morin who are both raw the only other potentional prospects are as follows:

Alt: steady 2 way dmen with good mobilty. Future 2nd or 3rd pairing guy who can be paired with a stay at home defencemen. Should start contending for a roster spot next year, but more likely first call up if a mobile d is injuried in 2014/2015

Lauridsen: big, long, physical player who knows his role. Future 6/7 and PK guy. Shouldn't make the team next year but could be used as a call up to fill the Hal Gill role next year if needed.

Gostisbehere: smaller offensive minded dmen with great mobilty. If he learns how to use his frame correctly (like Kimmo does) can be a useful complimentary piece on any pairing (most likely 3rd) and can run a top pp unit. Hopefully starts his pro career next year in the AHL and plays 2 years before pushing for a roster spot.

- AGL_91


Alt: if this is true then he'll be good with Schenn in the future

Gostisbehere: Streit is 6 ft. would he be a good mentor for Ghost?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 6 @ 3:09 PM ET
I know you dont care but

Group A
Russia
Slovakia
United States
Slovenia

Group B
Finland
Canada
Norway
Austria


Group C
Czech Republic
Sweden
Switzerland
Latvia

- nastyflyergirl


I cant figure out which group is tougher. Group A has US and Russia. 2 Team that could win it all. Group B Canada seems like they have the easiest division. But Group C...While they dont have that 1 powerhouse...USA, Canada, Russia... they definately have the deepest group.

I cant believe Canada drew that Group.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jan 6 @ 3:13 PM ET
I cant figure out which group is tougher. Group A has US and Russia. 2 Team that could win it all. Group B Canada seems like they have the easiest division. But Group C...While they dont have that 1 powerhouse...USA, Canada, Russia... they definately have the deepest group.

I cant believe Canada drew that Group.

- youarewrong

don't underestimate the finns bro
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 6 @ 3:27 PM ET
So as 2014 would everyone agree outside of Hagg and Morin who are both raw the only other potentional prospects are as follows:

Alt: steady 2 way dmen with good mobilty. Future 2nd or 3rd pairing guy who can be paired with a stay at home defencemen. Should start contending for a roster spot next year, but more likely first call up if a mobile d is injuried in 2014/2015

Lauridsen: big, long, physical player who knows his role. Future 6/7 and PK guy. Shouldn't make the team next year but could be used as a call up to fill the Hal Gill role next year if needed.

Gostisbehere: smaller offensive minded dmen with great mobilty. If he learns how to use his frame correctly (like Kimmo does) can be a useful complimentary piece on any pairing (most likely 3rd) and can run a top pp unit. Hopefully starts his pro career next year in the AHL and plays 2 years before pushing for a roster spot.

- AGL_91


Stolarz, one of the best (statistically) goalies in the OHL?

Nick Cousins, who either led or was among the OHL leading scorers last year?

Scott Laughton, captain of the Generals and Canada's WJC team?

I think those 3 qualify.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 6 @ 3:28 PM ET
Hey guys, quick question totally off topic!!!


Where can I find a statistical database of NHL numbers where I can compare players and their stats? For example, who is the highest scoring D since 2000? Does anyone know if a site like this exists or where I could go?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 6 @ 3:29 PM ET
don't underestimate the finns bro
- aightwebang17


If it was 2006, I'd agree with you. I'd say Group C is the hardest, as Czech Republic, Sweden, and the Swiss all can win any given day. Each of the other 2 is basically 2 good teams and 2 walk-overs. But yes, Canada probably has the easiest draw.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jan 6 @ 3:34 PM ET
If it was 2006, I'd agree with you. I'd say Group C is the hardest, as Czech Republic, Sweden, and the Swiss all can win any given day. Each of the other 2 is basically 2 good teams and 2 walk-overs. But yes, Canada probably has the easiest draw.
- jmatchett383

I don't see much of a downgrade in the two finn teams and I'd say their goaltending is much stronger than in 2006. Definitely not a cakewalk win for Canada.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 6 @ 3:36 PM ET
Hey guys, quick question totally off topic!!!


Where can I find a statistical database of NHL numbers where I can compare players and their stats? For example, who is the highest scoring D since 2000? Does anyone know if a site like this exists or where I could go?

- Flyers_V88


No, but I did just realize Lecavalier is 103rd all-time in NHL points, and could easily move into the top 90. He'd need 110 points to get to 1000 and 108 goals to get to 500, which are both doable. He has captained a team to a Stanley Cup, won a goal scoring race, won a World Cup Gold in 2004. What does he have to do for a legit shot at the HHOF?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 6 @ 3:37 PM ET
I don't see much of a downgrade in the two finn teams and I'd say their goaltending is much stronger than in 2006. Definitely not a cakewalk win for Canada.
- aightwebang17


Not a cakewalk at all, but I don't think they're going to be that strong. Their blue line will be their weak link?
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 6 @ 3:41 PM ET
No, but I did just realize Lecavalier is 103rd all-time in NHL points, and could easily move into the top 90. He'd need 110 points to get to 1000 and 108 goals to get to 500, which are both doable. He has captained a team to a Stanley Cup, won a goal scoring race, won a World Cup Gold in 2004. What does he have to do for a legit shot at the HHOF?
- jmatchett383

If he can break into those categories, he's in.

I can't seem to find anywhere on the internet that will give me this kind of information quickly. I can easily compile it myself, I just don't want to lol. Anyone else know any good hockey stats sites for comparing players over periods of time?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 6 @ 3:42 PM ET
So as 2014 would everyone agree outside of Hagg and Morin who are both raw the only other potentional prospects are as follows:

Alt: steady 2 way dmen with good mobilty. Future 2nd or 3rd pairing guy who can be paired with a stay at home defencemen. Should start contending for a roster spot next year, but more likely first call up if a mobile d is injuried in 2014/2015

Lauridsen: big, long, physical player who knows his role. Future 6/7 and PK guy. Shouldn't make the team next year but could be used as a call up to fill the Hal Gill role next year if needed.

Gostisbehere: smaller offensive minded dmen with great mobilty. If he learns how to use his frame correctly (like Kimmo does) can be a useful complimentary piece on any pairing (most likely 3rd) and can run a top pp unit. Hopefully starts his pro career next year in the AHL and plays 2 years before pushing for a roster spot.

- AGL_91


Gostibehere has Torey Krug written all over him. Offensive minded, smallish college d-man. Last I checked he was a candidate for the Hobey Baker award.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jan 6 @ 3:47 PM ET
Not a cakewalk at all, but I don't think they're going to be that strong. Their blue line will be their weak link?
- jmatchett383

Poss, but their team d will be strong.
Mapleleafs_91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: PAUL RANGER SUCKS
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jan 6 @ 3:50 PM ET
Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly: On the day the Flyers traded James van Riemsdyk to the Maple Leafs for Luke Schenn, the Coyotes offered them Keith Yandle. It was the same deal the Maple Leafs got.

You're GM is on bathsalts. That is all
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 6 @ 3:50 PM ET
True...but would only add Carle at his price if I could swap for Streit (who, for his part, has been getting better as of late).
- exlund


I'd happily trade Grossmann for him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 6 @ 3:50 PM ET
Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly: On the day the Flyers traded James van Riemsdyk to the Maple Leafs for Luke Schenn, the Coyotes offered them Keith Yandle. It was the same deal the Maple Leafs got.
- Mapleleafs_91


Day late & a Loonie Short, son.
Mapleleafs_91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: PAUL RANGER SUCKS
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jan 6 @ 3:51 PM ET
Day late & a Loonie Short, son.
- Jsaquella


When i saw that im like
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 6 @ 3:58 PM ET
Day late & a Loonie Short, son.
- Jsaquella


I'm not high on Yandle, but I'd certainly rather have him than Schenn.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 6 @ 3:58 PM ET
When i saw that im like
- Mapleleafs_91


Welcome to the club...I'd be amazed if it was the same price, although that summer the Flyers seemed Hell bent on adding righty shooting defensemen.

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