Depends on what you can get for one of them. If its just a pretty good winger it's not really going to help. It's it's someone like Tyler Seguin a young potential stud center then sure.

It's great to have a luxury like having a ton of young talented defensemen, but unless we get some serious talent up the middle, or Grigorenko and Hodgson both wake up and play to their potential, then we will remain a bad team
- sbroads24

Good points SB24 Team is too young to evaluate what we have . It's gonna be a couple years at least.. All we can do is keep stocking the shelves with prime prospects.

Looking at how Valeri Nichushkin is playing with ruff and the stars, and us having a shot at ekblad this year.....................mind hasnt changed.
- Mentalorgasm5

Over Ristolainen?
He's got 8 goals & 21pts in 40 games.
And how good would he be doing on the Sabres? We don't exactly have Benn & Seguin for him to play on a line with... Plus, we apparently don't like our young forwards to play on top lines unless the coach is previously in love w him...

And if we did take him at 8...
Ristolainen is def gone at 16, and at the time we would've thought Zadorov would be gone as well... So then we'd get no top defensemen at the last draft...

Nichushkin does look good
But Darcy (Devine, whoever) definitely made the best decision at the time

I'd maybe agree with you if Nichushkin had lasted till 16, but even then I still prob would've went Zadorov...
Coin flip though

But the guys behind him aren't elite forwards.
We've already had this discussion,
But if they think Ekblad is going to be that much better than (Myers, Pysyk, whoever), then it's worth it to hang on to him & trade someone else...
Even if It does take him a few years to be dominant,
Isn't it worth it for the next decade or so?

Regardless,
I think we can both agree that u take the most talented guy...
And then use the surplus to trade for what u lack in other areas
- jdfitz77

If he is that big an asset that you seem to think. We trade out of that spot get big return in offensive assets and picks. We are already developing a good crop of defense men. No need to go back to square one. Defense take longer to develop no matter what the talent level. We have amazing size . You cannot develop that . I am happy with our current d corps coming up . The offensive players - Not so much . You need to draft for need at this point . Other wise you are pigeon holing yourself , Edmonton Style ! We do not need defense men . And no way am I trading Myers at this point. He has rounded the corner and besides Miller is our Best player every night.

If he is that big an asset that you seem to think. We trade out of that spot get big return in offensive assets and picks. We are already developing a good crop of defense men. No need to go back to square one. Defense take longer to develop no matter what the talent level. We have amazing size . You cannot develop that . I am happy with our current d corps coming up . The offensive players - Not so much . You need to draft for need at this point . Other wise you are pigeon holing yourself , Edmonton Style ! We do not need defense men . And no way am I trading Myers at this point. He has rounded the corner and besides Miller is our Best player every night.
- Maximum Signal

But what if u can keep Ekblad & trade say Pysyk with Ennis for E.Kane?
Or something like that?
I'd be ok if we traded Ekblad for a great return
But u just seem so set against keeping a guy that projects to be much better than anyone else we have
If I have to wait a year, or two, or three... For him to become one of the most dominant defensemen in the league then I'm more than willing to do that bc we'll have him for a decade or so

And not all stud forwards come in and dominate like u claim
How are the guys in Edmonton looking?
Grigorenko was considered a top3 talent
So was Nichushkin and he's got 21pts, so does Barkov... Even the 26pts MacKinnon has is hardly setting the world on fire

I'm not saying we don't need offense

I'm just saying I don't necessarily trade a future stud defenseman
I'd at least look at other options first

But u don't seem open minded to that idea at all

Good points SB24 Team is too young to evaluate what we have . It's gonna be a couple years at least.. All we can do is keep stocking the shelves with prime prospects.
- cabin

Cabin Fever 452.50 vs 426.50
cabin

Seems like an easy night I hope.
- cabin

much to learn 426.50
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Center
Andrew Shaw, CHI
2 PIM, -1, 5 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 6.00
Michael Santorelli, VAN
-6, 1 Shot
Sun @ ANA -5.00
Jonathan Toews, CHI
3 A, +5, 8 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 25.00
Ryan Kesler, VAN
2 G, 2 PIM, -6, 13 Shots
Sun @ ANA 21.00
Right Wing
Patrick Kane, CHI
A, 2 PIM, -1, 13 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 18.00
Justin Williams, LA
A, 2 PIM, -2, 16 Shots 20.00
Patrick Sharp, CHI
3 G, A, 2 PIM, +4, 14 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 42.00
Matt Read, PHI
A, 1 Shot 5.00
Left Wing
Brandon Saad, CHI
2 G, -1, 7 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 18.00
Taylor Hall, EDM
5 A, 4 PIM, -4, 6 Shots
Sun. vs TB 26.00
Dwight King, LA
2 A, 2 PIM, +1, 10 Shots 21.00
Daniel Sedin, VAN
G, 4 A, 2 PIM, 12 Shots
Sun @ ANA 36.00
Defensemen
Justin Faulk, CAR
4 PIM, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 21.00
Jake Muzzin, LA
-1, 8 Shots 6.00
Jason Demers, SJ
G, A, -1, 4 Shots
Sun @ CHI 12.00
Slava Voynov, LA
4 PIM, +2, 6 Shots 18.00
Dustin Byfuglien, WIN
2 G, A, 8 PIM, 13 Shots
Sun @ PIT 45.00
Andrej Sekera, CAR
3 A, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 25.00
Goaltenders
Steve Mason, PHI
2 W, 8 GA, 96 Saves 46.00
Antti Niemi, SJ
W, 9 GA, 63 Saves
Sun @ CHI 20.50

up 120 points

Good points SB24 Team is too young to evaluate what we have . It's gonna be a couple years at least.. All we can do is keep stocking the shelves with prime prospects.
- cabin

It's gonna be rough for a few years but I think with a franchise center this team will take off

But what if u can keep Ekblad & trade say Pysyk with Ennis for E.Kane?
Or something like that?
I'd be ok if we traded Ekblad for a great return
But u just seem so set against keeping a guy that projects to be much better than anyone else we have
If I have to wait a year, or two, or three... For him to become one of the most dominant defensemen in the league then I'm more than willing to do that bc we'll have him for a decade or so

And not all stud forwards come in and dominate like u claim
How are the guys in Edmonton looking?
Grigorenko was considered a top3 talent
So was Nichushkin and he's got 21pts, so does Barkov... Even the 26pts MacKinnon has is hardly setting the world on fire

I'm not saying we don't need offense

I'm just saying I don't necessarily trade a future stud defenseman
I'd at least look at other options first

But u don't seem open minded to that idea at all
- jdfitz77

It will take him 4-5 years to be a dominant player. Defensemen don't dominate at a young age like that. Karlsson is a wizard offensively but is still working on his all around game. I would say the guy who developed the quickest into a somewhat complete player was Drew Doughty.

Problem is that it's not that easy to say oh draft Ekblad and then trade player X for player Y, it takes two teams to deal

So...roster announcement for Canada coming soon. Just a stab in the dark but I think they'll go with:

Crosby,Toews,Giroux,Bergeron,Getzlaf,Perry,Benn,Nash,Couture,E. Staal,M. Richards, Marleau, Duchene


Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, Weber, Pietrangelo, Subban, Bouwmeester.


Price, Luongo, Smith


Marleau is probably the odd one there but I'm guessing he'll be an extra forward. I know Nash hasn't been great this year but I think he can still be a viable option on the right line.

I Left off Hamhuis, Vlasic and Phaneuf because a) is good but not as good b) is overrated and c) idon't even get me started


And the goalies...well it's slim pickings. I guess the third goalie doesn't really matter but I think they'll go with Smith. Price and Luongo seem to be locks though.

Wow, what an idiot Darcy was not drafting a forward in the 1st round last year?
A LOT of ppl on here blasted him for those picks...
Any of u guys change your mind?
- jdfitz77

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

2 d men projected in the top 20 picks

It will take him 4-5 years to be a dominant player. Defensemen don't dominate at a young age like that. Karlsson is a wizard offensively but is still working on his all around game. I would say the guy who developed the quickest into a somewhat complete player was Drew Doughty.

Problem is that it's not that easy to say oh draft Ekblad and then trade player X for player Y, it takes two teams to deal
- sbroads24

Ok, but unless a deal presents itself in some way...
If Reinhart is gone, we take Ekblad no question. There's too much of a dropoff after him. I'm not picking a lesser prospect just bc our defense is "set"
Myers could regress, Ristolainen could have injury issues, Zadorov could go to the KHL... U just never know...

I def take Reinhart if he's available, but if he's not Ekblad is by far the best available player
Ill leave it to our new GM to figure out how to make a trade or sign a UFA or whatever needs to be done

Neither player is a center. We need a number 1 center more than anything.
- sbroads24

no, with the make up this team, we need offense period.

much to learn 426.50
homiedclown
Center
Andrew Shaw, CHI
2 PIM, -1, 5 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 6.00
Michael Santorelli, VAN
-6, 1 Shot
Sun @ ANA -5.00
Jonathan Toews, CHI
3 A, +5, 8 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 25.00
Ryan Kesler, VAN
2 G, 2 PIM, -6, 13 Shots
Sun @ ANA 21.00
Right Wing
Patrick Kane, CHI
A, 2 PIM, -1, 13 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 18.00
Justin Williams, LA
A, 2 PIM, -2, 16 Shots 20.00
Patrick Sharp, CHI
3 G, A, 2 PIM, +4, 14 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 42.00
Matt Read, PHI
A, 1 Shot 5.00
Left Wing
Brandon Saad, CHI
2 G, -1, 7 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 18.00
Taylor Hall, EDM
5 A, 4 PIM, -4, 6 Shots
Sun. vs TB 26.00
Dwight King, LA
2 A, 2 PIM, +1, 10 Shots 21.00
Daniel Sedin, VAN
G, 4 A, 2 PIM, 12 Shots
Sun @ ANA 36.00
Defensemen
Justin Faulk, CAR
4 PIM, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 21.00
Jake Muzzin, LA
-1, 8 Shots 6.00
Jason Demers, SJ
G, A, -1, 4 Shots
Sun @ CHI 12.00
Slava Voynov, LA
4 PIM, +2, 6 Shots 18.00
Dustin Byfuglien, WIN
2 G, A, 8 PIM, 13 Shots
Sun @ PIT 45.00
Andrej Sekera, CAR
3 A, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 25.00
Goaltenders
Steve Mason, PHI
2 W, 8 GA, 96 Saves 46.00
Antti Niemi, SJ
W, 9 GA, 63 Saves
Sun @ CHI 20.50

up 120 points
- homiedclown

Buzz Kill 514.50
Mentalorgasm5
Center
Logan Couture, SJ
3 G, A, +2, 11 Shots
Sun @ CHI 35.00
Tyler Toffoli, LA
5 Shots 5.00
Henrik Sedin, VAN
G, 3 A, -1, 6 Shots
Sun @ ANA 23.00
Jonathan Toews, CHI
3 A, +5, 9 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 26.00
Right Wing
Claude Giroux, PHI
2 G, A, +4, 6 Shots 26.00
Justin Williams, LA
A, 2 PIM, -2, 16 Shots 20.00
Wayne Simmonds, PHI
2 G, 2 A, 2 PIM, +3, 11 Shots 36.00
Patrick Kane, CHI
A, 2 PIM, -1, 16 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 21.00
Left Wing
Taylor Hall, EDM
5 A, 4 PIM, -5, 7 Shots
Sun. vs TB 26.00
David Perron, EDM
G, 2 A, 6 PIM, -3, 8 Shots
Sun. vs TB 25.00
Dwight King, LA
2 A, 2 PIM, +1, 10 Shots 21.00
Daniel Sedin, VAN
G, 4 A, 2 PIM, -1, 14 Shots
Sun @ ANA 37.00
Defensemen
Radko Gudas, TB
2 A, 4 PIM, -1, 2 Shots
Sun @ EDM 16.00
Andrej Sekera, CAR
3 A, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 25.00
PK Subban, MON
2 G, 4 A, 2 PIM, +4, 9 Shots 49.00
Torey Krug, BOS
2 G, A, 2 PIM, +2, 4 Shots 28.00
Jake Muzzin, LA
-1, 8 Shots 6.00
Matt Niskanen, PIT
2 G, A, 2 PIM, +2, 5 Shots
Sun. vs WIN 29.00
Goaltenders
Martin Jones, LA
3 GA, 41 Saves 14.50
Steve Mason, PHI
2 W, 8 GA, 96 Saves 46.00
Reggie Dunlop's All Stars 503.50
abeich
Center
Jonathan Toews, CHI
3 A, +5, 9 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 26.00
Michael Santorelli, VAN
-7, 1 Shot
Sun @ ANA -6.00
Ryan Johansen, CLB
G, A, 2 PIM, -2, 5 Shots 15.00
Sidney Crosby, PIT
G, 4 A, 4 PIM, 6 Shots
Sun. vs WIN 32.00
Right Wing
Patrick Kane, CHI
A, 2 PIM, -1, 16 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 21.00
Claude Giroux, PHI
2 G, A, +4, 6 Shots 26.00
Reilly Smith, BOS
G, A, -1, 4 Shots 13.00
Patrick Sharp, CHI
3 G, A, 2 PIM, +4, 16 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 44.00
Left Wing
Brandon Saad, CHI
2 G, -1, 7 Shots
Sun. vs SJ 18.00
Jaden Schwartz, STL
2 G, 2 A, 2 PIM, +5, 6 Shots 33.00
Alexander Ovechkin, WAS
G, A, 6 PIM, -3, 23 Shots 36.00
Chris Kunitz, PIT
2 G, 3 A, +1, 7 Shots
Sun. vs WIN 32.00
Defensemen
Jacob Trouba, WIN
2 G, A, 4 PIM, 10 Shots
Sun @ PIT 34.00
Jake Muzzin, LA
-1, 8 Shots 6.00
PK Subban, MON
2 G, 4 A, 2 PIM, +4, 9 Shots 49.00
Radko Gudas, TB
2 A, 4 PIM, -1, 2 Shots
Sun @ EDM 16.00
Torey Krug, BOS
2 G, A, 2 PIM, +2, 4 Shots 28.00
Andrej Sekera, CAR
3 A, +1, 11 Shots
Sun. vs NAS 25.00
Goaltenders
Ben Bishop, TB
2 W, 3 GA, 47 Saves
Sun @ EDM 38.50
Eddie Lack, VAN
8 GA, 66 Saves
Sun @ ANA 17.00


I am in a battle to keep my one loss record in tack

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

2 d men projected in the top 20 picks
- homiedclown

Another thing to keep in mind of we miss out on Reinhart & go w Ekblad...
If we trade Miller, Ott & Moulson... That could net is 3 more picks in the 1st this year, to go along with three 2nds and possibly the NYI pick
We should be able to package picks together to move around for forwards that we specifically target
In the mid-1st, I like a guy like Virtanen

One thing Darcy did do right is acquire an unprecedented amount of round 1-2 picks over a four year span
So even if we miss on some guys,
We are going to have a huge talent base with which to build from

It looks like we are gonna have 2-3 top5 picks over the next two years
So if we can "hit" those right,
We should be able to watch the rest fall into place

But what if u can keep Ekblad & trade say Pysyk with Ennis for E.Kane?
Or something like that?
I'd be ok if we traded Ekblad for a great return
But u just seem so set against keeping a guy that projects to be much better than anyone else we have
If I have to wait a year, or two, or three... For him to become one of the most dominant defensemen in the league then I'm more than willing to do that bc we'll have him for a decade or so

And not all stud forwards come in and dominate like u claim
How are the guys in Edmonton looking?
Grigorenko was considered a top3 talent
So was Nichushkin and he's got 21pts, so does Barkov... Even the 26pts MacKinnon has is hardly setting the world on fire

I'm not saying we don't need offense

I'm just saying I don't necessarily trade a future stud defenseman
I'd at least look at other options first

But u don't seem open minded to that idea at all
- jdfitz77

Key word in that whole statements is projects ! No proven . How do you know this guy will project out . He did not wow me at World championships . Defense takes longer to develop . We have defense - Lots of it. I am not in love with this guy like a lot of people are . If other teams are let the pay us for him then. You have no way of knowing he is better than anyone else we have? I am quite happy with what we have.

Miller to Tampa blog in 10...9...8...

Key word in that whole statements is projects ! No proven . How do you know this guy will project out . He did not wow me at World championships . Defense takes longer to develop . We have defense - Lots of it. I am not in love with this guy like a lot of people are . If other teams are let the pay us for him then. You have no way of knowing he is better than anyone else we have? I am quite happy with what we have.
- Maximum Signal

U keep talking in definites
We don't KNOW that any of these guys will work out
How do U know Reinhart will work out?
If that's your thinking then we should trade all our picks for established players, right?

And defensemen rated this high are generally pretty good right away
How's Jones looking in Nashville?
This year, after the top2... All the guys will take some time

Ok, but unless a deal presents itself in some way...
If Reinhart is gone, we take Ekblad no question. There's too much of a dropoff after him. I'm not picking a lesser prospect just bc our defense is "set"
Myers could regress, Ristolainen could have injury issues, Zadorov could go to the KHL... U just never know...

I def take Reinhart if he's available, but if he's not Ekblad is by far the best available player
Ill leave it to our new GM to figure out how to make a trade or sign a UFA or whatever needs to be done
- jdfitz77

Myers is not going to regress again. He has been through his growing pains . I do not want to go through it with more players than I have too. If we do not get Reinhart and Ekblad drops to us . We should trade him for offensive assets and lots of them if he is great as you say.

U keep talking in definites
We don't KNOW that any of these guys will work out
How do U know Reinhart will work out?
If that's your thinking then we should trade all our picks for established players, right?
- jdfitz77

I know more about what we have than we know about Ekblad. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't . Could not be happier with what we have . If he is all you think we should get a kings ransom for him.

U keep talking in definites
We don't KNOW that any of these guys will work out
How do U know Reinhart will work out?
If that's your thinking then we should trade all our picks for established players, right?

And defensemen rated this high are generally pretty good right away
How's Jones looking in Nashville?

This year, after the top2... All the guys will take some time
- jdfitz77

Where did I say that . Defense is set . Time to think offense.

I know more about what we have than we know about Ekblad. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't . Could not be happier with what we have . If he is all you think we should get a kings ransom for him.
- Maximum Signal

Not necessarily
We don't know "Reinhart"
But would u trade Girgensons for him?
Bc he's been good, but Reinhart projects better

Just bc u haven't done research on Ekblad doesn't mean he won't be a stud

It's gonna be rough for a few years but I think with a franchise center this team will take off
- sbroads24

I think so to . But we need to start scoring goals . And you do not goal scoring from drafting a defense man again.

Where did I say that . Defense is set . Time to think offense.
- Maximum Signal

Our defence is garbage. It's far from set.

Where did I say that . Defense is set . Time to think offense.
- Maximum Signal

U keep saying I don't "know" Ekblad will be a stud so we should trade him
So shouldn't we trade Reinhart them as well bc we don't "know" that he can be a franchise center?
It's the exact same argument

Not necessarily
We don't know "Reinhart"
But would u trade Girgensons for him?
Bc he's been good, but Reinhart projects better

Just bc u haven't done research on Ekblad doesn't mean he won't be a stud
- jdfitz77

I have been following Ekblad along with other draft eligible players . I do not have a woody for him like you have.He is a defense man they just do not develop as quick . I am all for suffering . You want us to suffer an extra year we do not have to . Quit wanting to trade player we are developing . Girgensons is developing quicker than expected . You cannot win games with how players are projected .