not sure if you guys discussed it in the early pages or not, but thoughts on the phaneuf deal?

Because Hartnell is too 1 dimentional to play anything but Leftwing, so he is keeping Schenn from moving back to LW, which is causing Vinny to play on 3rd line... because Hartnell is a liability defensively you dont want him with Couts.... and that is forcing Downie to 4th line. Simple solution... take out Hartnell, and everyone moves back to how things were working on the 2nd and 3rd line.
- youarewrong

Scott Hartnell can and has played both left wing and right wing as a flyer...

So you think that Read-Couts-Downie over a 5 game span are better then Raffl-Giroux-Voracek?

What time does the asylum stop letting patients use the internet?
- youarewrong

All three against all three as far as five on five goes? Yes.

Scott Hartnell canon has played both left wing and right wing as a flyer...
- Schenn2shine

Hartnell had a VERY breif stint on the Rightwing and was HORRIBLE.

All three against all three as far as five on five goes? Yes.
- Schenn2shine

i will say that the third line you guys had going on was a great one for what it was designed to do. but if that line, over a 5 game sample size against each other, is better than the giroux, voracek, raffl one. you guys need to blow up your team.

All three against all three as far as five on five goes? Yes.
- Schenn2shine

Stop huffing the paint. OMG.

i will say that the third line you guys had going on was a great one for what it was designed to do. but if that line, over a 5 game sample size against each other, is better than the giroux, voracek, raffl one. you guys need to blow up your team.
- stayinthefnnet

Dude, any Flyer fan that says that Matt Read, Sean Couturier, and Steve Downie are better at 5 on 5 then Raffle, Giroux, and Voracek has blown a gasket. Must be Christmas burn out, or something. There is no explaination.

Thats like you saying the Harry Zulnerczyk line is better then the Crosby line... 5 on 5...

SEEK HELP!

All three against all three as far as five on five goes? Yes.
- Schenn2shine

giroux is your best player, with voracek not far behind. if their line is not better than a line centered by a young but solid defensive stud, a good grit guy, and a guy who is good at everything but great at nothing. there is a major major problem

not sure if you guys discussed it in the early pages or not, but thoughts on the phaneuf deal?
- stayinthefnnet

I was making fun of it last night. I'm glad Toronto locked him up, because I for one cannot stand him and the rumor mill had Phaneuf headed to philly next year with a max contract.

Remember, this is a guy who was voted by his peers as the most over rated player in hockey. That says one of two things to me... he's really not that good, or the rest of the league doesnt respect him. Either way, thats not the sort of guy I want on my team.

Dude, any Flyer fan that says that Matt Read, Sean Couturier, and Steve Downie are better at 5 on 5 then Raffle, Giroux, and Voracek has blown a gasket. Must be Christmas burn out, or something. There is no explaination.

Thats like you saying the Harry Zulnerczyk line is better then the Crosby line... 5 on 5...

SEEK HELP!
- youarewrong

i obviously dont agree, but i enjoy going back and forth so im not gonna totally dismiss him haha i just disagree heavily is all. i do get the concept of line balance and chemistry somewhat outweighing an imbalance in talent. dupuis for example isnt as good of a player as neal. but dupuis is better with crosby than neal is.

that being said, make no mistake about it. the line with dupuis is one of, if not the, best line in hockey because the wingers compliment the stud center. same thing with the flyers top line. it is their best, because the wingers compliment your own stud center

i will say that the third line you guys had going on was a great one for what it was designed to do. but if that line, over a 5 game sample size against each other, is better than the giroux, voracek, raffl one. you guys need to blow up your team.
- stayinthefnnet

The Downie, Couturier and Read line were together a lot longer than five games.

I was making fun of it last night. I'm glad Toronto locked him up, because I for one cannot stand him and the rumor mill had Phaneuf headed to philly next year with a max contract.

Remember, this is a guy who was voted by his peers as the most over rated player in hockey. That says one of two things to me... he's really not that good, or the rest of the league doesnt respect him. Either way, thats not the sort of guy I want on my team.
- Doc_Sarcasm

true. but all things equal, he was likely to be the best D guy on the market. the pool is extremely extremely thin. i dont think hes in the top 5 of his position by any means, but he is a pretty good all around guy that definitely makes any team better.

The Downie, Couturier and Read line were together a lot longer than five games.
- Schenn2shine

maybe im just interpreting what you are saying incorrectly. if you match them up against each other, the DCR line against the GVR line. over however long of a sample size you deem necessary to be large enough to be fairly consequential, which line do you think bests the other?

true. but all things equal, he was likely to be the best D guy on the market. the pool is extremely extremely thin. i dont think hes in the top 5 of his position by any means, but he is a pretty good all around guy that definitely makes any team better.
- stayinthefnnet

...and thats how the Flyers have gotten into the salary cap mess that they are currently in. They continually overpay for "the best D on the market", instead of developing their own talent and locking them up from the start of their ELC til the the day they can become UFA's.

...and thats how the Flyers have gotten into the salary cap mess that they are currently in. They continually overpay for "the best D on the market", instead of developing their own talent and locking them up from the start of their ELC til the the day they can become UFA's.
- Doc_Sarcasm

definitely true.

I'm getting off for a bit but I'll try to explain again in simple terms for those who are having trouble keeping up.

The Flyers have replied on one line at a time this season and their Power Play to keep them above water. They need balance. They need multiple lines to carry this team. Raffl is playing well but is not the reason why Giroux and Voracek have found their games. Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds are the players with the hot hands, while others chip in here and there. Giroux and Voracek were clearly not on as hot a streak as they are on now but every player cools off. That doesn't mean Hartnell is at fault. Giroux and Voracek stunk to begin this season because they played like crap not because they were paired with Hartnell. Now suddenly some rookie they've been paired with for half the month is the reason why they've picked it up? Nonsense. Raffl is the flavour of the month and Couturier was last month. I could argue Giroux and Voracek were just warming up when playing with Hartnell last. Just because a guy doesn't have hands like Jagr, doesn't mean he's a bad player.

if I don't come back, happy new year to everyone.

I'm getting off for a bit but I'll try to explain again in simple terms for those who are having trouble keeping up.

The Flyers have replied on one line at a time this season and their Power Play to keep them above water. They need balance. They need multiple lines to carry this team. Raffl is playing well but is not the reason why Giroux and Voracek have found their games. Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds are the players with the hot hands, while others chip in here and there. Giroux and Voracek were clearly not on as hot a streak as they are on now but every player cools off. That doesn't mean Hartnell is at fault. Giroux and Voracek stunk to begin this season because they played like crap not because they were paired with Hartnell. Now suddenly some rookie they've been paired with for half the month is the reason why they've picked it up? Nonsense. Raffl is the flavour of the month and Couturier was last month. I could argue Giroux and Voracek were just warming up when playing with Hartnell last. Just because a guy doesn't have hands like Jagr, doesn't mean he's a bad player.

if I don't come back, happy new year to everyone.
- Schenn2shine

There are many things concerning in reading the past few pages. However this stands out.

There are many things concerning in reading the past few pages. However this stands out.
- flyer_nutter

If I don't come back for the rest of the evening...jesus!

There are many things concerning in reading the past few pages. However this stands out.
- flyer_nutter

ha

I'm getting off for a bit but I'll try to explain again in simple terms for those who are having trouble keeping up.

The Flyers have replied on one line at a time this season and their Power Play to keep them above water. They need balance. They need multiple lines to carry this team. Raffl is playing well but is not the reason why Giroux and Voracek have found their games. Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds are the players with the hot hands, while others chip in here and there. Giroux and Voracek were clearly not on as hot a streak as they are on now but every player cools off. That doesn't mean Hartnell is at fault. Giroux and Voracek stunk to begin this season because they played like crap not because they were paired with Hartnell. Now suddenly some rookie they've been paired with for half the month is the reason why they've picked it up? Nonsense. Raffl is the flavour of the month and Couturier was last month. I could argue Giroux and Voracek were just warming up when playing with Hartnell last. Just because a guy doesn't have hands like Jagr, doesn't mean he's a bad player.

if I don't come back, happy new year to everyone.
- Schenn2shine

Hopefully you come back to read this, you are talking in circles, no one is saying that Raffl is entirely the reason that Giroux and Voracek have started to get going, but we are saying that Hartnell was not helping out on that line at all and they needed a change. Since the change they have found some chemistry and it is working so why change it. Hartnell has scored 7 goals this year and has been terrible and if he sees anymore time on Giroux's line this year it will be way too soon. I watched him in Edmonton and he was on his can more than on his skates. Give him fourth line minutes and use him on the second powerplay and when the season is over sell him to the highest bidder, his days are done here.

All hail Raffl. Savior of the Flyers Top Line. He who banished Fraud Giroux and got Jakub "Perogi" Voracek to shoot.

are you also too lazy to look up how much of it was on the power play?
- Schenn2shine

Haha somebody is taking his arrogant pills today

Hopefully you come back to read this, you are talking in circles, no one is saying that Raffl is entirely the reason that Giroux and Voracek have started to get going, but we are saying that Hartnell was not helping out on that line at all and they needed a change. Since the change they have found some chemistry and it is working so why change it. Hartnell has scored 7 goals this year and has been terrible and if he sees anymore time on Giroux's line this year it will be way too soon. I watched him in Edmonton and he was on his can more than on his skates. Give him fourth line minutes and use him on the second powerplay and when the season is over sell him to the highest bidder, his days are done here.
- Daceroni

..exactly and Raffle isnt just there collecting charity points, hes contributing to the lines success via skill and is defensive ly responsible. Bottomline, Hartnell hasnt performed and must earn h is way back.

Hopefully you come back to read this, you are talking in circles, no one is saying that Raffl is entirely the reason that Giroux and Voracek have started to get going, but we are saying that Hartnell was not helping out on that line at all and they needed a change. Since the change they have found some chemistry and it is working so why change it. Hartnell has scored 7 goals this year and has been terrible and if he sees anymore time on Giroux's line this year it will be way too soon. I watched him in Edmonton and he was on his can more than on his skates. Give him fourth line minutes and use him on the second powerplay and when the season is over sell him to the highest bidder, his days are done here.
- Daceroni

I was at the game in Cobumbus a week and half ago and both of the games in Detroit early this season. Hartnell wasn't even at the October 12th game. Giroux and Voracek both collected their first points of the season during game 6 against the Wings. Regardless of the assist they collected each, they both sucked and it was on them to pick up their own games.

Did you happen to notice at that game you were at that we didn't score one even strength goal against a bottom feeding team? Not one.

People have been saying Raffl is the reason why Giroux and Voracek have picked up their games. You also make it sound like Hartnell scoring 7 goals is a bad thing. If he's been bad, who's been worse? Voracek has 9 with top line minutes. Schenn has 8. Couturier has 7 also.

The team need balance and not to rely on one line.

Frisky right off the bat.