i'd love to find a way to get schenn back with timonen, he played so well after a few months with timo

timo-schenn
coburn-gus?/streit
mesz-grossmann
- -davies-

I would too, but I don't think the current coaching staff is a big fan of giving Schenn big minutes. They don't seem to like him very much.

i get so sad when he does one of those and they don't score on it
- -davies-

I want to see him score a goal so bad

So we're going to shred Schenn for his dumb play that led to a non goal breakaway and praise Grossmann for his grit and toughness despite his moronic "shot block" that gave the Oilers a 3-2 lead late in the third?

I'd be happy to get rid of both
- Jsaquella

why stop there... get rid of them all. seriously i think our AHL defenders could play a more disciplined game like they did to close out last season.

So we're going to shred Schenn for his dumb play that led to a non goal breakaway and praise Grossmann for his grit and toughness despite his moronic "shot block" that gave the Oilers a 3-2 lead late in the third?

I'd be happy to get rid of both
- Jsaquella

That's an opinion, naturally, I would love for us to restructure 5 of the 6, but on an open market, how much value would Grossman have vs Luke?
I still think we will have to live with Luke, regardless, that spin move he made at the blue line was completely ridiculous.
It's one thing to have limitations, yet play within them, (Grossman), but Luke seems to try things that are disastrous & way out of his limitations
Edit, as well as the one handed stabs at passes towards or around the net

I would too, but I don't think the current coaching staff is a big fan of giving Schenn big minutes. They don't seem to like him very much.
- PhillySportsGuy

ugh. i'd hope they'll do everything possible for him to improve

ugh. i'd hope they'll do everything possible for him to improve
- -davies-

It's hard to when he does the Schennian Spin-O-Rama

It's hard to when he does the Schennian Spin-O-Rama
- PhillySportsGuy

Schenn-nanagans

It was a 2 on 1 down low and Grossmann took away the pass. Schenn's play was just
- PhillySportsGuy

He didn't need to be on his knees to take away the pass, it was a really dumb move. The only pass option behind Grossmann was all the way across the ice at the sideboards. There was no logical reason, if he knew where the man was-to go down to his knees there.

That's an opinion, naturally, I would love for us to restructure 5 of the 6, but on an open market, how much value would Grossman have vs Luke?
I still think we will have to live with Luke, regardless, that spin move he made at the blue line was completely ridiculous.
It's one thing to have limitations, yet play within them, (Grossman), but Luke seems to try things that are disastrous & way out of his limitations
Edit, as well as the one handed stabs at passes towards or around the net
- puckhead17

Luke does make more mistakes, for sure. But Grossmann, for being such a solid, smart defenseman, makes his fair share, too. He sometimes handles the puck like it's a hand grenade and makes a lot of unforced mistakes with the puck.

I'm not defending Schenn, I wondering why he gets shredded and Grossmann gets a pat on the back...because Nicklas Grossmann has been nothing great.

why stop there... get rid of them all. seriously i think our AHL defenders could play a more disciplined game like they did to close out last season.
- moylander

As a unit, the Flyers defense is a bad mix. As individual pieces they can be very capable. That's the big issue. Too many slower guys who lack more than average puck skills.

A guy like Grossmann or Schenn is fine with the right partner...Schenn with Meszaros gives me the shakes.

2 points to start a road trip is always a good thing. Flyers dominated the game, but glaring mistakes kept the Oilers in the game.

WTF was Luke Schenn doing with that spin-o-rama near the blueline in a tie game? Was he paying homage to Paul Coffey since the game was in Edmonton. It really is stunning how bad he is.
- PLindbergh31

I was going to post something about Schenn's play on the spin o rama as well. What a terrible decision as the last guy back and he owes Mase big time for making that save on the resulting break away. Stupid play and he needs to eliminate those mistakes from his game.

Good work coming through in the Shoot Out. Really need this game because of the tough road ahead here.

Luke does make more mistakes, for sure. But Grossmann, for being such a solid, smart defenseman, makes his fair share, too. He sometimes handles the puck like it's a hand grenade and makes a lot of unforced mistakes with the puck.

I'm not defending Schenn, I wondering why he gets shredded and Grossmann gets a pat on the back...because Nicklas Grossmann has been nothing great.
- Jsaquella

No, he does do those things (Grossman), but he does block a ton of shots & is a tank in the corners doing a lot of the dirty work, & in reference to the handling the puck like a grenade, that's Streit's only skill, (besides his shot), & he's bad at that as well.

I just think we have bigger problems with Luke trying to be what he's not too often & Streit not being what he's supposed to.

Sorry, I know I'm in the minority on this one as well, but I don't think Mez is that bad, he could be better, but I will even take him over Streit, I commented yesterday (on Phanuef) that good defenseman never make the open market as UFA's they get resigned prior to doing so, & there's an apparent reason Streit was available.

No, he does do those things (Grossman), but he does block a ton of shots & is a tank in the corners doing a lot of the dirty work, & in reference to the handling the puck like a grenade, that's Streit's only skill, (besides his shot), & he's bad at that as well.

I just think we have bigger problems with Luke trying to be what he's not too often & Streit not being what he's supposed to.
- puckhead17

Yes, Grossmann blocks shots and he has grit. Schenn does work in the corners, too. Big deal.

Grossmann being more solid is partly due to Schenn just being so bad this season. Grossmann's "being a rock" is more akin to being the tallest midget than his being a great defensive guy.

just to nitpick the play last night, Grossmann on his knees on that third goal is a horrible play. He's either being really dumb or he has no idea where the guy who is open for a cross ice pass is. If he's on his skates, that's a quick clear.

So either he made a horribly dumb decision or an absolutely terrible read. Either way, a guy whose game is being a stay at home defenseman can't make that mistake.

No, he does do those things (Grossman), but he does block a ton of shots & is a tank in the corners doing a lot of the dirty work, & in reference to the handling the puck like a grenade, that's Streit's only skill, (besides his shot), & he's bad at that as well.

I just think we have bigger problems with Luke trying to be what he's not too often & Streit not being what he's supposed to.

Sorry, I know I'm in the minority on this one as well, but I don't think Mez is that bad, he could be better, but I will even take him over Streit, I commented yesterday (on Phanuef) that good defenseman never make the open market as UFA's they get resigned prior to doing so, & there's an apparent reason Streit was available.
- puckhead17

I'm not a huge fan of Meszaros or Streit. Meszaros has really not played well after the injuries. Very inconsistent and prone to hesitation.

Streit got to UFA because of his age. It's like Gonchar. Guys that age aren't usually a priority for teams to lock up.

And Streit's been bad, no question. Way to many high risk, low reward plays and poor defense from him

The only time I like having Streit is when he's winding up for a slap shot. Other than that, I don't trust him or Schenn. Playing them together is just a disaster. Berube doesn't really have many options though.

I would, however, like to see Vinny return to the 2nd line and Downey return to the third line. There was so much mixing and matching last night. It was like Berube didn't want to insult Hartnell by putting him on the 4th line, but he's clearly the odd man out in 5 on 5 play.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with these things

Also, both Grossmann and Schenn have terrible contracts for what they bring to the table. Average-to slightly below average, slow, 2nd pair/decent third pair mauler types making $3.5-$3.6mm per year.

Yes, Grossmann blocks shots and he has grit. Schenn does work in the corners, too. Big deal.

Grossmann being more solid is partly due to Schenn just being so bad this season. Grossmann's "being a rock" is more akin to being the tallest midget than his being a great defensive guy.

just to nitpick the play last night, Grossmann on his knees on that third goal is a horrible play. He's either being really dumb or he has no idea where the guy who is open for a cross ice pass is. If he's on his skates, that's a quick clear.

So either he made a horribly dumb decision or an absolutely terrible read. Either way, a guy whose game is being a stay at home defenseman can't make that mistake.
- Jsaquella

I agree, I was pi$$ed when he did that, I was wondering the same thing.

and if the shot hit Grossman and deflected into the corner it's not a topic, as well as Luke's pirouette at the blues line was a lesser mistake because Mason bailed him out.
If I have a chance to only move one for a bag of pucks my choice would be:
1 Streit
2 Streit
3 Luke
4 Grossman

Also, both Grossmann and Schenn have terrible contracts for what they bring to the table. Average-to slightly below average, slow, 2nd pair/decent third pair mauler types making $3.5-$3.6mm per year.
- Jsaquella

That's the current market price for those type of players, JS. Also, I think Grossmann has generally played better than you described.

I'm not a huge fan of Meszaros or Streit. Meszaros has really not played well after the injuries. Very inconsistent and prone to hesitation.

Streit got to UFA because of his age. It's like Gonchar. Guys that age aren't usually a priority for teams to lock up.

And Streit's been bad, no question. Way to many high risk, low reward plays and poor defense from him
- Jsaquella

Im not a huge fan of Mez, but if I had to play process of elimination, and man. The comparison, other than being UFA's of Gonchar vs Streit gives me indegestion

I agree, I was pi$$ed when he did that, I was wondering the same thing.

and if the shot hit Grossman and deflected into the corner it's not a topic, as well as Luke's pirouette at the blues line was a lesser mistake because Mason bailed him out.
If I have a chance to only move one for a bag of pucks my choice would be:
1 Streit
2 Streit
3 Luke
4 Grossman
- puckhead17

Yeah, trouble is that the way Grossmann was positioned, there was no chance of the puck going into the corner.

I'd prefer not moving guys for bag of pucks, rather, look for a team that needs that skill set and see if they can make a mutually beneficial trade to shake up the mix.

Luke Schenn for Michael Del Zotto makes so much sense it's ridiculous.

Yeah, trouble is that the way Grossmann was positioned, there was no chance of the puck going into the corner.

I'd prefer not moving guys for bag of pucks, rather, look for a team that needs that skill set and see if they can make a mutually beneficial trade to shake up the mix.

Luke Schenn for Michael Del Zotto makes so much sense it's ridiculous.
- Jsaquella

I'd rather get something of substance as well, but Streit is just horrible, he is a one trick horse with inconsistencies to his one trick.

I don't think the Rangers make that move, I'm sure they are watching what Luke is bringing to the table every night, although, MDZ is having similar issues in NY as Luke. I see Grossman having some value but I can live with him over Streit, Luke would have to be a part of a package as you mentioned.

That's the current market price for those type of players, JS. Also, I think Grossmann has generally played better than you described.
- bmeltzer

I think he's prone to really dumb mistakes at really bad times. The puck mistakes are what they are, but there's a few unforced icings late in games and a few memorable blown coverages that ended up in the net.

One was in the 2-1 win over the Pens-the only goal Pittsburgh got was because Grossmann left Crosby. There's been a few others, too.

I love the heart and effort Grossmann brings...but I do feel that he gets praised a bit more than he deserves. And yes, I might be a bit too harsh.

And yes, Streit's play has been a bigger issue than Grossmann's. Zero question about it.

I'd rather get something of substance as well, but Streit is just horrible, he is a one trick horse with inconsistencies to his one trick.

I don't think the Rangers make that move, I'm sure they are watching what Luke is bringing to the table every night, although, MDZ is having similar issues in NY as Luke. I see Grossman having some value but I can live with him over Streit, Luke would have to be a part of a package as you mentioned.
- puckhead17

The thing is, the Rangers can slot Schenn in with a guy like Stralmann and have a nice solid pair that compliments each other. MDZ wasn't even dressing for them and they needed defense help.

I agree Streit's been a far bigger issue than Grossmann. My issue isn't necessarily Grossmann-it's the praise he gets for simply being OK.

He didn't need to be on his knees to take away the pass, it was a really dumb move. The only pass option behind Grossmann was all the way across the ice at the sideboards. There was no logical reason, if he knew where the man was-to go down to his knees there.
- Jsaquella

Wasn't a smart move. But he's an asset to this team more so than Schenn. Grossman is the only player on the team who even trys to block shots anymore. For that I don't mind.

Him going down to block a pass attempt was a good plan, bad position.

The thing is, the Rangers can slot Schenn in with a guy like Stralmann and have a nice solid pair that compliments each other. MDZ wasn't even dressing for them and they needed defense help.

I agree Streit's been a far bigger issue than Grossmann. My issue isn't necessarily Grossmann-it's the praise he gets for simply being OK.
- Jsaquella

I think you are kinding missing the point here. Grossman is a physical shot blocking dman who plays a steady game. He gets praise when he plays that way.

Streit is an offensive guy who is terrible in the dzone. He caught heat because he's been bad in all areas of the ice.