Enough to know that he's rarely engaged enough to put up those numbers on a regular basis. If you think Patches is worth more than Kesler right now you're on glue.
- golfingsince

Agreed on both counts

HAHA I meant kelsers greater than "patches" and subban greater than edler
I think its a fair trade gives Vancouver powerplay help and someone to play with sedins on the wing. Canadiens get a number one center with size whos a excellent two way player and elder also adds size on the back end who also has a offensive mind
- islandcanucks

Kesler>Patches
Subban>>>>>>Edler

Thing about Kesler though, despite 2 good seasons, he's really not been impressive throughout his NHL career

Kesler>Patches
Subban>>>>>>Edler

Thing about Kesler though, despite 2 good seasons, he's really not been impressive throughout his NHL career
- muffin_man

Maybe not as a scorer, but he's always had a Selke type of defensive game.

Meh. Elite players put up big numbers no matter who theyre with.

This debate is all conjecture. I dont think pacs is an 80 point player on a pereniall basis. I could see 65-75 on a regular basis tho. Still great numbers.
Just not elite
- hugefemale dog77

There is no way PAcioreetty is elite. Is he capable of 40 and 80, With the right situation, probably (especially the 40 goals). Would he get it consistently, hell no.

Maybe not as a scorer, but he's always had a Selke type of defensive game.
- golfingsince

We already have a solid 2-way center in Plekanec who only gets 3rd line wingers. Kesler, while an upgrade physically and defensively, isn't an upgrade offensively and, therefore, doesn't fit the "number one center" billing he was given.

and a first for Subban and DD?
- muffin_man

(frank) no. Because no matter what, we lose the best player in that deal.

Enough to know that he's rarely engaged enough to put up those numbers on a regular basis. If you think Patches is worth more than Kesler right now you're on glue.
- golfingsince

2011-2013 to date:

KESLER GP- 133 G-41 A-47 P- 98

PACIORETTY GP- 152 G- 63 A- 60 P- 123


I guess we are both on glue but yours is better!

Not to mention Kesler had better linemates during same period!

Maybe not as a scorer, but he's always had a Selke type of defensive game.
- golfingsince

Currently the Oilers are picking 2nd overall...you surprised? I am, by this this point in the season I thought they would be picking 1st.

We already have a solid 2-way center in Plekanec who only gets 3rd line wingers. Kesler, while an upgrade physically and defensively, isn't an upgrade offensively and, therefore, doesn't fit the "number one center" billing he was given.
- muffin_man

So Kesler's third line wingers are Santorelli and Higgins, yet he has still scored 15 goals and 26 pts. I imgaine if he had first line wingers he'd have first line numbers.

(frank) no. Because no matter what, we lose the best player in that deal.
- razr

"No, I won't give you Crosby for Malkin, Ovechkin, and Weber. Are you insane???"

Currently the Oilers are picking 2nd overall...you surprised? I am, by this this point in the season I thought they would be picking 1st.
- whipper334

There is no way PAcioreetty is elite. Is he capable of 40 and 80, With the right situation, probably (especially the 40 goals). Would he get it consistently, hell no.
- muffin_man

Exactly. Every word

2011-2013 to date:

KESLER GP- 133 G-41 A-47 P- 98

PACIORETTY GP- 152 G- 63 A- 60 P- 123


I guess we are both on glue but yours is better!

Not to mention Kesler had better linemates during same period!
- Liamkelly

Sorry 88 points for Kesler! Even tried to make him look good with bad math!

Currently the Oilers are picking 2nd overall...you surprised? I am, by this this point in the season I thought they would be picking 1st.
- whipper334

No you didn.'t. You, and everyone else, thought the Flames would be dead last

2011-2013 to date:

KESLER GP- 133 G-41 A-47 P- 98

PACIORETTY GP- 152 G- 63 A- 60 P- 123


I guess we are both on glue but yours is better!

Not to mention Kesler had better linemates during same period!
- Liamkelly

Thanks for including two injury filled seasons but not the one before where he scored 41 goals.

Max signed until 18-19 .... at 4.5 ... he is not going out of town ....
Subban is a RFA ... he doesnt have the power to ask for what he wants ... if MTL wants they can wait for a team to make an offersheet that they will match ... again not going away ......... My god this is bullcrap ... You are telling me that a small rumour dude from philly knows more about the internal affair of this team when they are over 3 millions fans and reporters watching this team every move ...

THANK GOD FOR ENGEL ...

Thanks for including two injury filled seasons but not the one before where he scored 41 goals.
- golfingsince

OK, so even if I add his super season of 41 goals he would have 161 points in 215 games! Average of 0.749 points per game.

And Pacioretty over same span 147 points in 189 games! Average of 0.778 points per game.


Plus Pacioretty is cheaper on Cap and younger.... so YES I believe his value is more than Kesler.....

Enjoy your glue.

OK, so even if I add his super season of 41 goals he would have 161 points in 215 games! Average of 0.749 points per game.

And Pacioretty over same span 147 points in 189 games! Average of 0.778 points per game.


Plus Pacioretty is cheaper on Cap and younger.... so YES I believe his value is more than Kesler.....

Enjoy your glue.
- Liamkelly

Cuz it's all about points right?

The glue is all yours. Only a Habs homer would think Pacs is worth more than Kesler.

Thanks for including two injury filled seasons but not the one before where he scored 41 goals.
- golfingsince

Kesler is better than pacioretty. Period

OK, so even if I add his super season of 41 goals he would have 161 points in 215 games! Average of 0.749 points per game.

And Pacioretty over same span 147 points in 189 games! Average of 0.778 points per game.


Plus Pacioretty is cheaper on Cap and younger.... so YES I believe his value is more than Kesler.....

Enjoy your glue.
- Liamkelly

Looks great naked and is a gold medal caliber Olympic diver.

Cuz it's all about points right?

The glue is all yours. Only a Habs homer would think Pacs is worth more than Kesler.
- golfingsince

Its ok, I know you guys from Leaf Nation over value older and overpaid guys, its in your blood. You can have Kesler.

Kesler is better than pacioretty. Period
- hugefemale dog77

YES! this coming from a fan of a team that really knows how to ice a good team!

YES! this coming from a fan of a team that really knows how to ice a good team!
- Liamkelly

Cause i had a hand in building the oilers?
Does bergevin generally call you for your thoughts on potential trades?

This comment right here pretty much sums up the quality of your argument.

YES! this coming from a fan of a team that really knows how to ice a good team!
- Liamkelly

Well he hates the Canucks yet picks Kesler. What does that tell you about how weak your argument is?

Cause i had a hand in choosing the team? Does bergevin generally call you for your thoughts on potential trades?

This comment right here, pretty much sums up the quality of your argument.
- hugefemale dog77

Point proven.... I'm talking hockey and you don't understand the analogy. Instead of just saying one is better than the other PERIOD..... bring facts to support your opinion