Also he's been trying to help the d actually play defense so he has been taking less risks which is going to affect his point total.
- Yeti1181

You mean he's actually trying to play defense.

In fairness all our d is useless according to you good sir.
- Yeti1181

nope.. thats not true at all.. gunnar is good.. but hurt.. liles should be playing regularly.. phaneuf is the most over rated player in the NHL.. (find me another 35 point "two way" (god thats laughable) who makes 7? you wont.. so dont bother. franson has a nice shot.. skates like a giraffe and is about as useful defensively as a tissue paper. gardiner goes for massive skates which freezes the forwards at the blue line.. essentially negating his one good attribute. rielly is special.. but too young still ...nhl offense.. junior defense. ranger and fraser are bottom pairing guys who are fringe nhl-ers at best.

its a horrid defense.. it really is.. they play a defense first approach and give up the most shots in the NHL.

the leafs defense.. well.. sucks.

thank bloody hell there is talent in the pipeline.

Now you've stepped in it Bruce.
- AdamFrench

you're right.. the truth isnt generally well received in leaf land

I disagree that he has not been a leader.
- Yeti1181

LOL go figure!

nope.. thats not true at all.. gunnar is good.. but hurt.. liles should be playing regularly.. phaneuf is the most over rated player in the NHL.. (find me another 35 point "two way" (god thats laughable) who makes 7? you wont.. so dont bother. franson has a nice shot.. skates like a giraffe and is about as useful defensively as a tissue paper. gardiner goes for massive skates which freezes the forwards at the blue line.. essentially negating his one good attribute. rielly is special.. but too young still ...nhl offense.. junior defense. ranger and fraser are bottom pairing guys who are fringe nhl-ers at best.

its a horrid defense.. it really is.. they play a defense first approach and give up the most shots in the NHL.

the leafs defense.. well.. sucks.

thank bloody hell there is talent in the pipeline.
- Dozzer

It certainly is a (frank)ing mess.. Hope StuPerMan (TM) makes the team next year. He looks like he can be a solid 3-4 guy. MacWilliam looked like a boss in camp then kind of fell off the radar. Maybe those two replace Ranger and Fraser next year. Still doesn't do anything for our current top 4.

It ain't pretty, that's for sure

you're right.. the truth isnt generally well received in leaf land
- Dozzer

Seems it's ban-worthy most of the time.


*runs away*

I disagree that he has not been a leader.
- Yeti1181

he has been.. just a bad one

this team folds all the time... thats a sign of poor coaching and leadership

nope.. thats not true at all.. gunnar is good.. but hurt.. liles should be playing regularly.. phaneuf is the most over rated player in the NHL.. (find me another 35 point "two way" (god thats laughable) who makes 7? you wont.. so dont bother. franson has a nice shot.. skates like a giraffe and is about as useful defensively as a tissue paper. gardiner goes for massive skates which freezes the forwards at the blue line.. essentially negating his one good attribute. rielly is special.. but too young still ...nhl offense.. junior defense. ranger and fraser are bottom pairing guys who are fringe nhl-ers at best.

its a horrid defense.. it really is.. they play a defense first approach and give up the most shots in the NHL.

the leafs defense.. well.. sucks.

thank bloody hell there is talent in the pipeline.
- Dozzer

I love you Brolldozzer.

Trade Idea

TOR
E.Gudbranson

FLA
J.Gardiner
T.Biggs

Thoughts?
- Holy_Makinaw99

I like bringing in a more physical D man just not sure of the value of Gudbrasson

he has been.. just a bad one

this team folds all the time... thats a sign of poor coaching and leadership
- Dozzer

The truth shall set me free...

nope.. thats not true at all.. gunnar is good.. but hurt.. liles should be playing regularly.. phaneuf is the most over rated player in the NHL.. (find me another 35 point "two way" (god thats laughable) who makes 7? you wont.. so dont bother. franson has a nice shot.. skates like a giraffe and is about as useful defensively as a tissue paper. gardiner goes for massive skates which freezes the forwards at the blue line.. essentially negating his one good attribute. rielly is special.. but too young still ...nhl offense.. junior defense. ranger and fraser are bottom pairing guys who are fringe nhl-ers at best.

its a horrid defense.. it really is.. they play a defense first approach and give up the most shots in the NHL.

the leafs defense.. well.. sucks.

thank bloody hell there is talent in the pipeline.
- Dozzer

And gunnar is really a 4th or 5th dman on a top quality team

It certainly is a (frank)ing mess.. Hope StuPerMan (TM) makes the team next year. He looks like he can be a solid 3-4 guy. MacWilliam looked like a boss in camp then kind of fell off the radar. Maybe those two replace Ranger and Fraser next year. Still doesn't do anything for our current top 4.

It ain't pretty, that's for sure
- TheThrill

this is precisely why they need to avoid long term contracts with their current D

And gunnar is really a 4th or 5th dman on the oilers
- Fakepartofme

Fixed, that sucky Swedish turd

I hate Gunnarsson.

Seems it's ban-worthy most of the time.


*runs away*
- Feeling Glucky?

what the? oh dammit i hit the reply button by mistake

he has been.. just a bad one

this team folds all the time... thats a sign of poor coaching and leadership
- Dozzer

I find it so laughable when people come on here and say Dion is a shut dman and is a great leader.

Or really really sad.

I love you Brolldozzer.
- AdamFrench

this is precisely why they need to avoid long term contracts with their current D
- Dozzer

Yuuuuuuuuup!

And gunnar is really a 4th or 5th dman on a top quality team
- Fakepartofme

yeah.. he is a decent second pairing guy on a decent defense... on a good one.. bottom pairing for certain

And gunnar is really a 4th or 5th dman on a top quality team
- Fakepartofme

Now that the Leafs are going to lock up one of the best d-men in the league, long-term, they should shift their focus to finding a good #2 guy to play with him.

what the? oh dammit i hit the reply button by mistake
- Dozzer

I find it so laughable when people come on here and say Dion is a shut dman and is a great leader.

Or really really sad.
- Fakepartofme

he isnt shut down.. he is barely two way.. his offense has become predictable so carlyle is trying to mold him into something he isnt.

Now that the Leafs are going to lock up one of the best d-men in the league, long-term, they should shift their focus to finding a good #2 guy to play with him.
- Feeling Glucky?

Why, who are they getting ?

It certainly is a (frank)ing mess.. Hope StuPerMan (TM) makes the team next year. He looks like he can be a solid 3-4 guy. MacWilliam looked like a boss in camp then kind of fell off the radar. Maybe those two replace Ranger and Fraser next year. Still doesn't do anything for our current top 4.

It ain't pretty, that's for sure
- TheThrill

Gawd, I never want to see Fraser play another game in a leaf uniform......complete garbage.
Ranger...if he can turn it around...great...if not...send him packing.

gotta run to the store folks... let me know if phaneuf gets good while i'm gone

what the? oh dammit i hit the reply button by mistake
- Dozzer

did you miss the ban button