Those expansion fees, though... Bettman must be seeing dollars signs.

The cap will be going up 15 million per team (if those fees count towards revenue?)
- Leeman4Gilmour

I think they need more teams in the GTA, I just don't think they're going to be permanent huge money makers like people think. They'd survive but this is Leafland.

Absolutely not. They wouldn't be the Leafs. They'd be Senators 2.0 the second the new car smell wore off. Even if they were competitive, they're still not the Leafs.

They'd make money. Probably break even. But they wouldn't be a soaring success of a franchise that rakes in 500 million a year.
- DTF69

After 30 years or so they might catch on, who the (frank) can wait that long though.

After 30 years or so they might catch on, who the (frank) can wait that long though.
- Leafland

I think I see what you did there...

Over Seattle? Explain.
- Nucker101

Not over, but alongside. It's a western market that never gets mentioned for some reason.

Its got a good population, strong grassroots hockey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, cold climate, low winter competition in sports (because their winter teams are garbage). Its basically Minnesota but it might be too close to Chicago and that is why no one brings it up.

Plus the fact the league could have a winter classic at Lambeau? Surprised Bettman wouldn't put a team their just for that alone.

Plus they're close enough to the border that Toronto, Montreal and Winnipeg fans would probably all travel. Detroit and Chicago too.

The boxscore on my phone counted it as 3 misses.

Bernier was 0 for 0 in the shootout, which was good enough for the win, I guess.

Oh, well. That's one way to do it.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Buffalo is full of snipers!

I would be devastated if the leafs move Gardiner for Del Zotto. The kid was everywhere again tonight, and obviously has become one of the more reliable guys for Carlyle (regularly seeing 24-25 mins a night!)
- GardinerExpress

The Leafs would regret that trade big time. But apparently the Rangers can get Pacioretty for him.

I think every single one of us on here would go see games but would the general public? I don't know if the demand would be all that high long-term.
- daeth

They would definitely have to be in the Leafs/Habs/Wings/Bruins division. Those are all big draws. If New York could sustain 2 teams, the GTO could as well. They will never be as successful financially as the leafs, but I bet they would surpass teams like the jets,sens, and every sunbelt USA team

relevancy ?
- Rayven

The booze is catching up to me.

Crawled out of my drunken stupor to go to work only to crawl back into it tonight.

Hiccups, acid reflux, heartburn, the poops, and the fact I have no desire to finish off the last beer is starting to tell me to slow the (frank) down.

I would be devastated if the leafs move Gardiner for Del Zotto. The kid was everywhere again tonight, and obviously has become one of the more reliable guys for Carlyle (regularly seeing 24-25 mins a night!)
- GardinerExpress

Del Zotto's best offensive seasons have come when he's received 4+ minutes of PP time. Gardiner gets 2 minutes. The only thing Del Zotto has on Gardiner is offensive output.

Such a pointless trade proposal.

The booze is catching up to me.

Crawled out of my drunken stupor to go to work only to crawl back into it tonight.

Hiccups, acid reflux, heartburn, the poops, and the fact I have no desire to finish off the last beer is starting to tell me to slow the (frank) down.

- Not_Stee

sounds like you're in bad shape

The Leafs would regret that trade big time. But apparently the Rangers can get Pacioretty for him.
- Nucker101

I bet Mtl would do Gallagher if it was Del Zotto +. It's hard to think of a guy whose stock has fallen more than MDZ

sounds like you're in bad shape
- daeth

Was shaking more than Michael J. Fox today.

They would definitely have to be in the Leafs/Habs/Wings/Bruins division. Those are all big draws. If New York could sustain 2 teams, the GTO could as well. They will never be as successful financially as the leafs, but I bet they would surpass teams like the jets,sens, and every sunbelt USA team
- GardinerExpress

I can't disagree. I think the GTA could potentially handle 2 expansion teams without losing money in all honesty but I don't know if they'd make much either.

Phaneuf + Kadri + draft picks for Bufyglien
Ranger --> ECHL
- twiztedmike

If you're set on trading Dion, how about Phaneuf, Reimer and Raymond for Eberle, Nurse, and Dubnyk. Short term pain for long term gain.

Was shaking more than Michael J. Fox today.
- Not_Stee

The holidays are going to kill you, slow down lol.

I've been drinkless until tonight myself. My family stuff is all happening late this year (this weekend) so we'll see how I survive it.

Del Zotto's best offensive seasons have come when he's received 4+ minutes of PP time. Gardiner gets 2 minutes. The only thing Del Zotto has on Gardiner is offensive output.

Such a pointless trade proposal.
- daeth

this!

Gardiner has cracked 25 mins for us 7 times in the last 14 games, he has definitely kicked it up a notch. Del Zotto hasn't played that much a single game this year. Talk about past performances all you like, but it just doesn't make sense to take on a bigger salary for another offensive d man who is struggling. Give us a Travis Hamonic and then we'll talk

Sad to see that river search story on City.

Doesn't look good.

True. Seattle would be awesome IMO.
- Nucker101

Seattle, Vegas, and Quebec will all get teams, then there will be a 4th to make it 32.

Seattle, Vegas, and Quebec will all get teams, then there will be a 4th to make it 32.
- The Shrike

4 to 32 ? Is that new math ? 4 would make 34

4 to 32 ? Is that new math ? 4 would make 34
- Maximum Signal

Phoenix will be done in 5 years once the lease expires (there's a clause specifically for terminating it). In that time, I'll bet at least one more Southern American team hits the rocks.

4 to 32 ? Is that new math ? 4 would make 34
- Maximum Signal

Yes, 34, good math for the NHL clubs though, over $1 billion in revenues from expansion fees that they don't have to share with the players.

And they said he couldn't win in the shoot out pfffft
- Yeti1181

lucky Girgensons missed the wide open net

The booze is catching up to me.

Crawled out of my drunken stupor to go to work only to crawl back into it tonight.

Hiccups, acid reflux, heartburn, the poops, and the fact I have no desire to finish off the last beer is starting to tell me to slow the (frank) down.

- Not_Stee

Wait a second...



...you went to work??!?!

lucky Girgensons missed the wide open net
- Rayven

Bernier faked him out

Sens lost 5-0. Could be a lottery pick they tradeded.
- systemtool

Someone ELSE did that?!

Why aren't we all over that?