Who are you to tell people what to do?
- RynoBull

Sorry Ryno.................

Likewise Ray !

Here's to a healthier 2014 !!


- Pairo11

Amen Brother..............

Manuel has all the tools . The question is can he bring them all together ? The biggest mistake the Bills made was not having a seasoned veteran backup that Manual could talk to and help tutor him along the way . That is the way most teams bring along a young quarterback . Especially when you have him starting .
It is far too early to throw in the towel on Manuel . Not enough of a body of work to make a final judgement . Besides does everyone forget he was a rookie? Besides we cannot waste a high draft pick on another quarterback this year . The team has far too many other pressing needs to move forward . If you desire a another quarterback so bad you take a flyer on one in the 6th or 7th round.
- Maximum Signal

While I agree he has all the tools and it is still too early to throw in the towel on him I just didn't see any "wow" plays to give me any/enough hope to think that he can be 'the guy'. IMO he made the same amount of plays that Thad Lewis did in twice as many games.

I'm not giving up on him but as was brought up earlier if a guy like Murray or McCarron is available in the 4th round (not sure where McCarron is projected yet) I'm taking that QB.

EJ has not shown me anything that tells me he has the ability to win a game in the clutch. He's had a few nice drives to finish (or almost finish) a few games but that could be attributed to luck as much as ability.

I think he's average and average won't win big games.

Not to use it as an excuse but the injuries haven't helped him develop. After that Carolina game I thought he had that I have arrived moment. But again a bunch of injuries slowed his growth down. I am not too concerned with the injury issues as I don't think he is injury prone like a Mike Vick since only one of his injuries happened while scrambling (Cleveland).

You have to remember you have a rookie QB and an offensive line that was not nearly as good as it was last year. Yes EJ has had some accuracy issues but I think he has all the tools and the brain for the game to be a good starting QB in this league. If our D gets another play making LB (Khail Mack please) I think that solves the run D issues not that there were any yesterday. Also I want another year of Mike Petine here before he leaves to become a head coach.
- Stripes77

I like the idea of here of Khalil Mack but as you said the offensive line isnt as good as last year at our spot a Matthews, Robinson and Leuwan could be had and would be a substancial upgrade at RT.

I do Love Mack as well

Add a little depth and pay Byrd and should be pretty good.
With EJ Hes going to be good, good gets you to 8-8, in the next two years if you can get a good Qb in the 2-3 rd id be all for it.
- hubie

I think if EJ was healthy all year we are a 9-7 team at the worst this year. We beat the Browns the Bengals and the Chiefs. I also think the Atlanta game ends up differently too but that could just be my Buffalo Optimism

I think if EJ was healthy all year we are a 9-7 team at the worst this year. We beat the Browns the Bengals and the Chiefs. I also think the Atlanta game ends up differently too but that could just be my Buffalo Optimism
- Stripes77

This was Manuels first year...... Everyone must remember that. He was not thought of as the next Peyton Manning for gosh sakes... Give the kid a couple of years to learn........

While I agree he has all the tools and it is still too early to throw in the towel on him I just didn't see any "wow" plays to give me any/enough hope to think that he can be 'the guy'. IMO he made the same amount of plays that Thad Lewis did in twice as many games.

I'm not giving up on him but as was brought up earlier if a guy like Murray or McCarron is available in the 4th round (not sure where McCarron is projected yet) I'm taking that QB.

EJ has not shown me anything that tells me he has the ability to win a game in the clutch. He's had a few nice drives to finish (or almost finish) a few games but that could be attributed to luck as much as ability.

I think he's average and average won't win big games.
- Pairo11

Via my job ive become a decent sized seahawk fan and I put EJ in the Similar mold as Wilson.

Wilson doesnt take over and win the game himself he play within his abilites and really the offense runs though Lynch when hes on fire they win.

We need a stud to take the pressure off of EJ, Spiller was supposed to make us greta and he cnat stay on the field.

I like the idea of here of Khalil Mack but as you said the offensive line isnt as good as last year at our spot a Matthews, Robinson and Leuwan could be had and would be a substancial upgrade at RT.

I do Love Mack as well
- hubie

Our RT hasn't been the greatest but its really been the play of our guards that have let us down in a bad way. I think it also effected CJ's game which a great running game is a young QB's best friend. If we end up in the top 10 I don't think you can use that pick on a guard or right tackle. Cordy Glenn was a second round pick if you want to go the tackle route. Go get Mack or get that big time 6'3 plus WR or monster TE if you don't want to go LB

This was Manuels first year...... Everyone must remember that. He was not thought of as the next Peyton Manning for gosh sakes... Give the kid a couple of years to learn........
- rapperray

I agree also Merry Christmas and I concur on the healthier 2014 Ray!!

Our RT hasn't been the greatest but its really been the play of our guards that have let us down in a bad way. I think it also effected CJ's game which a great running game is a young QB's best friend. If we end up in the top 10 I don't think you can use that pick on a guard or right tackle. Cordy Glenn was a second round pick if you want to go the tackle route. Go get Mack or get that big time 6'3 plus WR or monster TE if you don't want to go LB
- Stripes77

Not to be cliche but just take the best play available if its a or b as long as its not a reach.

Like we need a corner but nto in the top 10 et etc

Not to be cliche but just take the best play available if its a or b as long as its not a reach.

Like we need a corner but nto in the top 10 et etc
- hubie

We need a corner for depth somewhere in the first 4 rounds I think would be good. Robey has been a stud nickel this year and for an undrafted guy cause of his size ask Mike Wallace how he was feeling after that hit.

We need a corner for depth somewhere in the first 4 rounds I think would be good. Robey has been a stud nickel this year and for an undrafted guy cause of his size ask Mike Wallace how he was feeling after that hit.
- Stripes77

Robey is a love hate guy hell blow a coverage then make a great play makes me want to rip my hear out. Problem I see we never seem to bring in the physical guy. I just want to jam a guy at the line and give my line an extra half second to rush the qb

Robey is a love hate guy hell blow a coverage then make a great play makes me want to rip my hear out. Problem I see we never seem to bring in the physical guy. I just want to jam a guy at the line and give my line an extra half second to rush the qb
- hubie

Gilmore is a jam corner but his wrist injury didn't help him this year. I like the Aaron Williams physical side as long as he stops with the dumb penalties.

Gilmore is a jam corner but his wrist injury didn't help him this year. I like the Aaron Williams physical side as long as he stops with the dumb penalties.
- Stripes77

Williams is garbage, I do like Gilmore but just feel like the injuries are going to keep pileingon

Add a little depth and pay Byrd and should be pretty good.
With EJ Hes going to be good, good gets you to 8-8, in the next two years if you can get a good Qb in the 2-3 rd id be all for it.
- hubie

I love the Idea of Bills fans waiting for a non-losing season.

Via my job ive become a decent sized seahawk fan and I put EJ in the Similar mold as Wilson.

Wilson doesnt take over and win the game himself he play within his abilites and really the offense runs though Lynch when hes on fire they win.

We need a stud to take the pressure off of EJ, Spiller was supposed to make us greta and he cnat stay on the field.
- hubie

Every game I saw Wilson play in last year (I saw about 5 games I think) you could see the "It Factor" in every game. While he didn't dominate every game he played he rarely makes mistakes, keeps plays and drives alive and continually put his team in a position to win.

The big difference between Wilson and EJ is that Wilson doesn't lose games. EJ has the propensity to turn the ball over. EJ's stat's this year don't look that bad but he had about 10+ more balls that were thrown directly to the defense where they just plain dropped it. And this was all done while keeping EJ in a 'safe' offense. They never let him just throw the ball. If they did I think he'd have thrown a lot more pick's.

I like the idea of here of Khalil Mack but as you said the offensive line isnt as good as last year at our spot a Matthews, Robinson and Leuwan could be had and would be a substancial upgrade at RT.

I do Love Mack as well
- hubie

Mack would be a better story than Naaman Roosevelt was. It will be interesting to see how Mack will perform against much tougher opponents.

Every game I saw Wilson play in last year (I saw about 5 games I think) you could see the "It Factor" in every game. While he didn't dominate every game he played he rarely makes mistakes, keeps plays and drives alive and continually put his team in a position to win.

The big difference between Wilson and EJ is that Wilson doesn't lose games. EJ has the propensity to turn the ball over. EJ's stat's this year don't look that bad but he had about 10+ more balls that were thrown directly to the defense where they just plain dropped it. And this was all done while keeping EJ in a 'safe' offense. They never let him just throw the ball. If they did I think he'd have thrown a lot more pick's.
- Pairo11

Remember that Ghost Pass interference call that gave the Bills another chance (during teh final drive) for EJ's first win? Without that gift from the Refs he would be considered a huge bust this year.

Our RT hasn't been the greatest but its really been the play of our guards that have let us down in a bad way. I think it also effected CJ's game which a great running game is a young QB's best friend. If we end up in the top 10 I don't think you can use that pick on a guard or right tackle. Cordy Glenn was a second round pick if you want to go the tackle route. Go get Mack or get that big time 6'3 plus WR or monster TE if you don't want to go LB
- Stripes77

They're going to go after the kid from Clemson or the other guy (Evans ??).

WR is a glaring need as well as LB and OL. Like you said though you can pick up a guard in the later rounds that are completely serviceable.

Every game I saw Wilson play in last year (I saw about 5 games I think) you could see the "It Factor" in every game. While he didn't dominate every game he played he rarely makes mistakes, keeps plays and drives alive and continually put his team in a position to win.

The big difference between Wilson and EJ is that Wilson doesn't lose games. EJ has the propensity to turn the ball over. EJ's stat's this year don't look that bad but he had about 10+ more balls that were thrown directly to the defense where they just plain dropped it. And this was all done while keeping EJ in a 'safe' offense. They never let him just throw the ball. If they did I think he'd have thrown a lot more pick's.
- Pairo11

I agree with this but can say if EJ had "lynch" EJ could be a little smarter. Ej is not as good of a accurate passer

Williams is garbage, I do like Gilmore but just feel like the injuries are going to keep pileingon
- hubie

I thought Williams had bust all over him but you really have to give him credit when it's due. He was forced to learn a new position and also was forced to go back to corner due to injuries early in the year.

I thought he played really well this year compared to last year.

I think he'll only get better in this defense. NEED TO SIGN BYRD THOUGH !

They're going to go after the kid from Clemson or the other guy (Evans ??).

WR is a glaring need as well as LB and OL. Like you said though you can pick up a guard in the later rounds that are completely serviceable.
- Pairo11

If we go WR in the 1st I want Mike Evans form Texas AM and thats it

Mack would be a better story than Naaman Roosevelt was. It will be interesting to see how Mack will perform against much tougher opponents.
- RynoBull

He had a very pedestrian bowl game. Not a good showing for someone who is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

Remember that Ghost Pass interference call that gave the Bills another chance (during teh final drive) for EJ's first win? Without that gift from the Refs he would be considered a huge bust this year.
- RynoBull

Or when Stevie broke wide open, uncovered on the TD. Hell, I could have thrown that one.

Well, maybe....

I just want to wish all of my Hockey Buzz friends a very Merry Christmas........

I know I have not been around much lately but that will change very soon......


Be safe this Christmas everyone......


- rapperray

You too, Ray. Hope all is well with you and the family.