Listen, if Matt Ellis says there's a problem with gays, then there's a problem with gays. If he says they're cool then they're cool.

All of you who do not follow as Matt Ellis does will not share in his kingdom.

Praise be to Matt Ellis of Welland

It was Matt Ellis worship from 10-5 then it faded into a conversation about a dude with a killer beard hatin on the gays. Here we are.
- Buffalo-Sabres

Damn I missed matt Ellis worship !!! Nooo

And A&E has a right to air what they want. If they wanna end that show so be it. I don't see the big fuss over all this. Haha
- Cheeseballin

they do have the rights to end it

just like cbs, nbc, fox and espn has the rights to end NFL when players do muck worse poop

power of a dollar makes them look the other way, every time

duck dynasty will be more popular now then ever from the result of the past week

That deals with in a church (i.e. the place of worship) only. That's actually dealt with outside the Bible, at least in the Catholic Church anyway, which has never held the that the Bible alone was the authority. I have to find the commentary on that. I can't speak for Protestantism.
- buffalofan19

There's a seperate passage that talks about a women being silent at church and any questions being asked to the husband at home. This passage was taking about outside the church, they should hold no position of authority

Yes. Totally inconceivable.


But I totally agree with you about all if your thoughts outside of this topic.
- rmiethaner

In other words, you don't believe in God, but if, for some reason you turn out to be wrong, you're rest assured that He and Ted Nolan are definitely not one and the same?

There's a seperate passage that talks about a women being silent at church and any questions being asked to the husband at home. This passage was taking about outside the church, they should hold no position of authority
- sbroads24

Except in the kitchen.

Listen, if Matt Ellis says there's a problem with gays, then there's a problem with gays. If he says they're cool then they're cool.

All of you who do not follow as Matt Ellis does will not share in his kingdom.

Praise be to Matt Ellis of Welland
- Buffalo-Sabres

there could be a cult following of him, if we work hard

I am off to hit the crown and look up the signed baseballs I got at a storage locker auction today

play nice in the sandbox

there could be a cult following of him, if we work hard
- homiedclown

You mean if we "Matt Ellis"

In other words, you don't believe in God, but if, for some reason you turn out to be wrong, you're rest assured that He and Ted Nolan are definitely not one and the same?
- buffalofan19

Haha. Yes.

Edit: unfortunately, religion got in the way of the question "do you believe in God".

All in all, this conversation was actually very well tempered. Like I said, I've never watched the show, and never really planned to, regardless of what he said or didn't say. He's clearly not the most well-spoken person in the world, regardless of his view, and that sort of thing just doesn't interest me.

I will say this: A&E's action is not a violation of a freedom of speech. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee you employment, nor has it or will it ever.

All in all, this conversation was actually very well tempered. Like I said, I've never watched the show, and never really planned to, regardless of what he said or didn't say. He's clearly not the most well-spoken person in the world, regardless of his view, and that sort of thing just doesn't interest me.

I will say this: A&E's action is not a violation of a freedom of speech. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee you employment, nor has it or will it ever.
- buffalofan19

Your 2nd paragraph is basically my entire point.

Haha. Yes.

Edit: unfortunately, religion got in the way of the question "do you believe in God".
- rmiethaner

But that was my original question: could there be an evolutionary universe set in motion by a higher being? I have always leaned that way for some time. Religion really has nothing to do with it, not at that high of a level.

All in all, this conversation was actually very well tempered. Like I said, I've never watched the show, and never really planned to, regardless of what he said or didn't say. He's clearly not the most well-spoken person in the world, regardless of his view, and that sort of thing just doesn't interest me.

I will say this: A&E's action is not a violation of a freedom of speech. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee you employment, nor has it or will it ever.
- buffalofan19

I was going to post how this discussion has been much more civil than any thread regarding if Sabre player X deserves first line duties.

But that was my original question: could there be an evolutionary universe set in motion by a higher being? I have always leaned that way for some time. Religion really has nothing to do with it, not at that high of a level.
- buffalofan19

Yeah, my edit kind of makes me question myself.

But that was my original question: could there be an evolutionary universe set in motion by a higher being? I have always leaned that way for some time. Religion really has nothing to do with it, not at that high of a level.
- buffalofan19

Well I'm not gonna get into what I don't believe. What I strongly believe is that you should take anything in the Bible with a giant grain of salt

Well I'm not gonna get into what I don't believe. What I strongly believe is that you should take anything in the Bible with a giant grain of salt
- sbroads24

There's definitely a leap of faith (pun intended, I think) required when it comes to the Bible.

Thomas Aquinas, who Christians and non-Christians alike, will agree was one of the most brilliant minds in human history said:

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

There are some premises regarding God that can't be proven or disproven. If you don't subscribe to them, then I agree, the Bible is really just another book.

There's definitely a leap of faith (pun intended, I think) required when it comes to the Bible.

Thomas Aquinas, who Christians and non-Christians alike, will agree was one of the most brilliant minds in human history said:

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

There are some premises regarding God that can't be proven or disproven. If you don't subscribe to them, then I agree, the Bible is really just another book.
- buffalofan19

I just off my phone and on my home computer and this was post 666.

I just off my phone and on my home computer and this was post 666.
- rmiethaner

In that case, I'm just going to edit it to say "Ted Nolan".

There's definitely a leap of faith (pun intended, I think) required when it comes to the Bible.

Thomas Aquinas, who Christians and non-Christians alike, will agree was one of the most brilliant minds in human history said:

“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

There are some premises regarding God that can't be proven or disproven. If you don't subscribe to them, then I agree, the Bible is really just another book.
- buffalofan19

That's an excellent quote. My problem with organized religion is the ones who act like they have the answer, and that they are almost sympathetic to non-believers because they have this knowledge that you don't . Me personally, I like knowing that I have no clue. Because IMO pretending otherwise would be doing myself a disservice

That's an excellent quote. My problem with organized religion is the ones who act like they have the answer, and that they are almost sympathetic to non-believers because they have this knowledge that you don't . Me personally, I like knowing that I have no clue. Because IMO pretending otherwise would be doing myself a disservice
- sbroads24

I always had a saying that once you think you are definitely sure god is or is not real, you know nothing. You stop taking new information in.

I always had a saying that once you think you are definitely sure god is or is not real, you know nothing. You stop taking new information in.
- Buffalo-Sabres

No, science is always taking new information in.

As is evolving as a human.

I don't know what i mean by this. I am going to troll the Leafs blog.

No, science is always taking new information in.

As is evolving as a human.

I don't know what i mean by this. I am going to troll the Leafs blog.
- rmiethaner

I don't watch the show, at all, but if I'm not mistaken, there was a session every episode where they prayed as a family, and A&E tried to get them to take it out. In turn, the family supposedly said: "the prayer scene stays or there's no show". This isn't the first time A&E has been at odds with the family. The network gave in because the ratings for the show were really good.

As far as Robertson's comments are concerned, like it or not, the notion that homosexuality is sinful is pretty well defined in Christian faiths. There have been a lot of people, that do not profess to be Christians in the media and elsewhere, that try to argue that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. It does. And just about every theologian, scholar, translator, Church father, etc. that has done analysis on the scriptures, be it Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or what have you, are in agreement on this. Now, granted, this in of itself doesn't settle the argument "is homosexuality really wrong, sinful, a choice, etc.?" but the bottom line is if you hold the Bible as the authority that Christian faiths do, then you reject homosexuality as sinful. The people at A&E knew this, and to suspend the guy for stating something that you should have known he believed in the first place is a major lack of foresight on their part.
- buffalofan19

Being homosexual is not sinful as per the various churches, it is the acts that are sinful.