So the new GM's first order of business will be to trade Miller?What a way to start your new job.

And I still want Fenton but Murray might get the job. I don't think it'll be Benning, especially if he has interest in the Calgary job.

What do we have to lose ? Besides our high draft pick . But as many have said When Miller gets dealt. We will be tanking for Reinhart !
- Maximum Signal

Honestly, I'm all for going down for Reinhart. However, as soon as Regier an Rolston were let go I had a feeling we would turn it around. I'm not so sure we finish bottom 5 now. Does Omark alone do that? No. But hey I'm no seer we could fall apart again, Nolan has changed things though and I just don't see him allowing the team to reverse direction from recent play.

Scott said he wanted to just scare him . Kessel started jawing at him . The little punk that he is . Then went to grab Johns arm . Only then did john shed the gloves . The little girl skated away and proceeded to slash John while other Leafs held John ( Classy ) When there to many Laffs were on John . Mrs Kessel went looking for someone small to go after. After all it is the Laffs way.
- Maximum Signal

Come on. So you don't believe what Scott said? I don't think Scott would have wailed on him but the bottom line is he dropped the gloves first on a star player that doesn't fight. It was stupid

Come on. So you don't believe what Scott said? I don't think Scott would have wailed on him but the bottom line is he dropped the gloves first on a star player that doesn't fight. It was stupid
- sbroads24

Yes I do , and I will say it again what was Carlyle thinking putting Mrs Kessel out with Scott already on the ice . Stupdity

Yes I do , and I will say it again what was Carlyle thinking putting Mrs Kessel out with Scott already on the ice . Stupdity
- Maximum Signal

Oh well. I just don't think Scott is needed anymore. Nolan has these guys playing harder and tougher

Oh well. I just don't think Scott is needed anymore. Nolan has these guys playing harder and tougher
- sbroads24

I think Ted thinks different and from what I have read he is working with Scott to make him a better player.

We're still on the John Scott subject?

Yahoo.com had some article on Chuck Norris earlier. I made a comment that Matt Ellis > Chuck Norris. I got 3 thumbs down. I later replied all those who hit thumbs down are already dead.

Side not: Chicago announcers are awful. Guys voice makes me want to punch my tv.

He has the right to say and do whatever he wants, youre right, and the company he works for, A&E, has the right to fire him for his views if the company doesnt agree with them.

Why dont you try talking about how much you hate gays at your job openly and see how long your employer keeps you employed.

You have a freedom of speech, but you dont have a freedom of consequences.
- theblueandgold

Hysterical. I know a lot of the show is scripted, but it's still a "reality" series, and this guy has been suspended for being real. I find it hypocritical that A&E highlights the family's very strong religious beliefs, and then suspends him for it.

Phuck A&E.

Hysterical. I know a lot of the show is scripted, but it's still a "reality" series, and this guy has been suspended for being real. I find it hypocritical that A&E highlights the family's very strong religious beliefs, and then suspends him for it.

Phuck A&E.
- Powerslave

This

This
- Maximum Signal

Boom

Yea but I still see him
- SABRES 89

Hysterical. I know a lot of the show is scripted, but it's still a "reality" series, and this guy has been suspended for being real. I find it hypocritical that A&E highlights the family's very strong religious beliefs, and then suspends him for it.

Phuck A&E.
- Powerslave

Ironically Christianity is supposed to be about forgiveness, compassion and understanding and in the modern world no way represents that. In fact the more ignorant you appear to be or are willing to act makes you more "righteous".

This
- Maximum Signal

Second this. I'm not religious and don't agree with Phil's view, but love the show and what they believe in.

Ironically Christianity is supposed to be about forgiveness, compassion and understanding and in the modern world no way represents that. In fact the more ignorant you appear to be or are willing to act makes you more "righteous".
- Buffalo-Sabres

Hard core religious believers definitely don't want you thinking for yourself. It's the Bible way or it's the highway. While I don't necessarily agree with Robertson and what he said, I give him credit for being true to himself, like it or not.

Hard core religious believers definitely don't want you thinking for yourself. It's the Bible way or it's the highway. While I don't necessarily agree with Robertson and what he said, I give him credit for being true to himself, like it or not.
- Powerslave

I think that is the mainstream belief. Most Christian people just want you you to know what God and Jesus have done for them.

Merry Christmas (frank)ers. Here is my gift from me to you. https://soundcloud.com/ts...ou-know-ft-tellab/s-dtqkK

Actually it's for my Mom, but whatever you guys can have it too.

Hysterical. I know a lot of the show is scripted, but it's still a "reality" series, and this guy has been suspended for being real. I find it hypocritical that A&E highlights the family's very strong religious beliefs, and then suspends him for it.

Phuck A&E.
- Powerslave

I don't watch the show, at all, but if I'm not mistaken, there was a session every episode where they prayed as a family, and A&E tried to get them to take it out. In turn, the family supposedly said: "the prayer scene stays or there's no show". This isn't the first time A&E has been at odds with the family. The network gave in because the ratings for the show were really good.

As far as Robertson's comments are concerned, like it or not, the notion that homosexuality is sinful is pretty well defined in Christian faiths. There have been a lot of people, that do not profess to be Christians in the media and elsewhere, that try to argue that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. It does. And just about every theologian, scholar, translator, Church father, etc. that has done analysis on the scriptures, be it Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or what have you, are in agreement on this. Now, granted, this in of itself doesn't settle the argument "is homosexuality really wrong, sinful, a choice, etc.?" but the bottom line is if you hold the Bible as the authority that Christian faiths do, then you reject homosexuality as sinful. The people at A&E knew this, and to suspend the guy for stating something that you should have known he believed in the first place is a major lack of foresight on their part.

I don't watch the show, at all, but if I'm not mistaken, there was a session every episode where they prayed as a family, and A&E tried to get them to take it out. In turn, the family supposedly said: "the prayer scene stays or there's no show". This isn't the first time A&E has been at odds with the family. The network gave in because the ratings for the show were really good.

As far as Robertson's comments are concerned, like it or not, the notion that homosexuality is sinful is pretty well defined in Christian faiths. There have been a lot of people, that do not profess to be Christians in the media and elsewhere, that try to argue that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. It does. And just about every theologian, scholar, translator, Church father, etc. that has done analysis on the scriptures, be it Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or what have you, are in agreement on this. Now, granted, this in of itself doesn't settle the argument "is homosexuality really wrong, sinful, a choice, etc.?" but the bottom line is if you hold the Bible as the authority that Christian faiths do, then you reject homosexuality as sinful. The people at A&E knew this, and to suspend the guy for stating something that you should have known he believed in the first place is a major lack of foresight on their part.
- buffalofan19

Well IMO it's not his beliefs that are being ridiculed, it's the manner in which he's expressing them. He's not just taking about a life style, he said its only "logical" than a vagina is more desirable than an anus. He's just stupid to say it the way he did.

The bible also advises people to kill someone if they see them working on a Sunday, if Phil Robertson said it's only logical to kill someone working on Sunday people would think he's nuts. Problem with religion is that believers pick and choose what to preach from the bible, the other stuff that it too ridiculous like killing someone for working they conveniently leave out of their religious rants . Now I know someone is going to say how this is the Old Testament and not true anymore or whatever but the bottom line is that when you take the bible literally and rant about how Homosexuals are going to hell and mention them in the same sentence as murderers, you have opened a can of worms that a major network doesn't wan to be involved in

duck dynasty is a stupid stupid show.

what he said was (frank)ing stupid. freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of your bigotry.

that show should be off the air. it'll be a sad day if another network picks it up.

Well IMO it's not his beliefs that are being ridiculed, it's the manner in which he's expressing them. He's not just taking about a life style, he said its only "logical" than a vagina is more desirable than an anus. He's just stupid to say it the way he did.

The bible also advises people to kill someone if they see them working on a Sunday, if Phil Robertson said it's only logical to kill someone working on Sunday people would think he's nuts. Problem with religion is that believers pick and choose what to preach from the bible, the other stuff that it too ridiculous like killing someone for working they conveniently leave out of their religious rants . Now I know someone is going to say how this is the Old Testament and not true anymore or whatever but the bottom line is that when you take the bible literally and rant about how Homosexuals are going to hell and mention them in the same sentence as murderers, you have opened a can of worms that a major network doesn't wan to be involved in
- sbroads24

I think it was more his likening homosexuality to beastiality than his "logical" comments, but I digress.

My point on the Bible is this. While some do "pick and choose" parts of faith and the Bible to believe in, there are generally accepted articles of faith. The changes from the Old Testament to the New Testament weren't really what was considered right or wrong, moral or immoral, etc. Those principles, for the most part, remained unchanged. The changes had more to do with how they were dealt with. To use your example, performing servile work on Sunday (or the Sabbath, which is Saturday in the Jewish faith for instance) is still technically considered wrong or sinful even today. You just no longer get the death penalty for it. Keep in mind, the Old Testament dealt with a single race of people. The laws and punishments thereof didn't just deal with basic morality. It dealt with an entire nation and the laws with which it was governed. When the Church was established after the death of Christ, the focus was converting all nations, not just that of Israel. The Church as Christ established it, was not to be a governmental institution (and He essentially says as much in the Gospels). Now, throughout the years, the faith has been incorporated into government, to the benefit of some societies, and the detriment of others, but that's not what it was meant for.

I don't watch the show, at all, but if I'm not mistaken, there was a session every episode where they prayed as a family, and A&E tried to get them to take it out. In turn, the family supposedly said: "the prayer scene stays or there's no show". This isn't the first time A&E has been at odds with the family. The network gave in because the ratings for the show were really good.

As far as Robertson's comments are concerned, like it or not, the notion that homosexuality is sinful is pretty well defined in Christian faiths. There have been a lot of people, that do not profess to be Christians in the media and elsewhere, that try to argue that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. It does. And just about every theologian, scholar, translator, Church father, etc. that has done analysis on the scriptures, be it Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or what have you, are in agreement on this. Now, granted, this in of itself doesn't settle the argument "is homosexuality really wrong, sinful, a choice, etc.?" but the bottom line is if you hold the Bible as the authority that Christian faiths do, then you reject homosexuality as sinful. The people at A&E knew this, and to suspend the guy for stating something that you should have known he believed in the first place is a major lack of foresight on their part.
- buffalofan19

Its like hiring Matt Ellis and expecting him not to be (frank)ing awesome.

Its like hiring Matt Ellis and expecting him not to be (frank)ing awesome.
- Buffalo-Sabres

Exactly.

this isn't even a religious issue. leviticus is literally filled with stupid poop that no one does. wearing clothes of more than one cloth. stoning people for dumb poop.

but no, of course the one passage that mentions homosexuality gets repeated ad nauseum by anyone who wants to rationalize their hatred.

Christianity is about forgiveness. its about love and family.

where hating an entire group of people fits into that belief is just (frank)ing beyond me.

I think it was more his likening homosexuality to beastiality than his "logical" comments, but I digress.

My point on the Bible is this. While some do "pick and choose" parts of faith and the Bible to believe in, there are generally accepted articles of faith. The changes from the Old Testament to the New Testament weren't really what was considered right or wrong, moral or immoral, etc. Those principles, for the most part, remained unchanged. The changes had more to do with how they were dealt with. To use your example, performing servile work on Sunday (or the Sabbath, which is Saturday in the Jewish faith for instance) is still technically considered wrong or sinful even today. You just no longer get the death penalty for it. Keep in mind, the Old Testament dealt with a single race of people. The laws and punishments thereof didn't just deal with basic morality. It dealt with an entire nation and the laws with which it was governed. When the Church was established after the death of Christ, the focus was converting all nations, not just that of Israel. The Church as Christ established it, was not to be a governmental institution (and He essentially says as much in the Gospels). Now, throughout the years, the faith has been incorporated into government, to the benefit of some societies, and the detriment of others, but that's not what it was meant for.
- buffalofan19

Ok but regardless of the intent of the church, in most cases people will pick and choose what to preach and how they preach. Whether its changed from you get the death penalty for being gay to now you just don't go to heaven, people of ignorance choose bits and peices and they take the scriptures literally.
There are two types of religious people. One that will take the lessons of the church and let them be a reminder on how to be a better person, and another that will take some teachings and scriptures and use them as excuses for being hateful, or bigots. From what I have read on Robertson so far dating back about 3 years he is type B.