I'm sick of this Vanek poop.

We traded a perennial 30-goal scorer for him AND a 1st and 2nd round pick for him. God, enough of this poop. He's supposed to be a franchise type player, and he's clearly not. He is DEFINITELY part of the problem. A big part of it, actually.

You guys don't expect much from a 30-goal scorer, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick? Especially one that's an UFA after this year?
- potvin05

I think Vanek is a better player than Moulson. I don't think Moulson is worth what he's expected to be paid after this season, nor do I think Vanek will be worth what he wants. I think if they move Vanek around the deadline, they'll at least get a first rounder back. I don't think the Islanders stink because they have Vanek and not Moulson. It's easy to remember the perennial 30 goal scorer part of Moulson, but we tend to quickly forget just how bad he is defensively. The Islanders stink because they are the Islanders. I'm starting to think they could have Crosby, Ovie, a healthy Stamkos and Malkin on this team and they'd still stink.

I think Vanek is a better player than Moulson. I don't think Moulson is worth what he's expected to be paid after this season, nor do I think Vanek will be worth what he wants. I think if they move Vanek around the deadline, they'll at least get a first rounder back. I don't think the Islanders stink because they have Vanek and not Moulson. It's easy to remember the perennial 30 goal scorer part of Moulson, but we tend to quickly forget just how bad he is defensively. The Islanders stink because they are the Islanders. I'm starting to think they could have Crosby, Ovie, a healthy Stamkos and Malkin on this team and they'd still stink.
- Charlie21

with that defense, yes.

Dan,
I agree with you. I think the coaching staff is good (not great), but at some point the players stop listening. It happens to even great coaches (except Bowman, maybe). It is very clear that they have stopped listening to this coaching staff. They can't seem to get out of of their own way waiting for the roof to cave in every game. And when the message is not being heard, no matter how good the coach is, it is time for him to go. I like Cappy and he proved last year he is a good coach, but with the 57 minute effort games and the stupid mistakes and lazy plays they make, it is just time for him to go. Unfortunately, if he does go, we all must realize that the golden boy in WEIGHTing will be the next coach.

With respect to Snow, I agree his lack of sound is appalling but NOT unexpected. Think about how they have treated those who spoke a dissenting opinion! We are stuck with Butchie because the great Billy Jaffe criticized on occasion. The Point Blank debacle. Snow and Wang keep putting this product on ice but not only refuse to answer for it, they do everything in their power to silence those that recognize and discuss the putrid efforts, both theirs and the teams.

Like most, I grew up as a young child supporting this team and find it impossible to walk away, as much as I would LOVE to. I even went the Sharks game last week in my Isles jersey, and yes there were a few others as well.

Last point - a medium to large size portion of this losing streak falls on the passengers (Bailey, Regin, etc) that would much rather take the easy play than the smart play. Time for them to go. Let's just admit this will be a losing season, get a first round pick back by trading Vanek who doesn't fit on this team, and try to get anything for Bailey at this point as he has been ruined. Maybe he will be better somewhere else. He couldn't possibly be any worse.

Nor could any of this mess.
- aaronfeigin

Funny how now with the losses everyone thinks Capuano is terrible. Was he terrible last year with almost the same roster making the playoffs? Are the injuries his fault? Again, he is clearly not a great coach but he managed to get this team to the playoffs last year. Is it really his fault that Grabner isn't scoring or Bailey isn't even showing up most nights? Or that Bouchard was a waste of space or we traded Moulson and 1st & 2nd Rounders for a guy who doesn't seem to fit in this sytem? One of my points was that this also falls on the players. Yes, Cappy will be gone soon, but will it really change? Hopefully yes, but realistically probably NOT.

I'm sick of this Vanek poop.

We traded a perennial 30-goal scorer for him AND a 1st and 2nd round pick for him. God, enough of this poop. He's supposed to be a franchise type player, and he's clearly not. He is DEFINITELY part of the problem. A big part of it, actually.

You guys don't expect much from a 30-goal scorer, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick? Especially one that's an UFA after this year?
- potvin05

I wouldn't say Vanek is part of the problem. But I would say I'm underwhelmed with his play. He's certainly a good player but what we gave up for him and what our needs were and are, I don't think you can really defend this trade . I don't think it made the first line much better or the power play better.

I think Vanek is a better player than Moulson. I don't think Moulson is worth what he's expected to be paid after this season, nor do I think Vanek will be worth what he wants. I think if they move Vanek around the deadline, they'll at least get a first rounder back. I don't think the Islanders stink because they have Vanek and not Moulson. It's easy to remember the perennial 30 goal scorer part of Moulson, but we tend to quickly forget just how bad he is defensively. The Islanders stink because they are the Islanders. I'm starting to think they could have Crosby, Ovie, a healthy Stamkos and Malkin on this team and they'd still stink.
- Charlie21

Vanek isn't exactly stellar and is pretty lazy without the puck

Would you guys trade Hamonic for Reimer?

Would you guys trade Hamonic for Reimer?
- ThePresident

Trade our only real NHL defenseman? No lol
Not that it's not possibly fair value, but we cannot do tjat

Vanek is a HUGE problem. He makes around $7Mil a year, he isn't even close to playing at an elite level.

Trading Moulson was a HUGE mistake. This team formed chemistry and you cut the heart out of it from the "core"

I know we are upset Grabner isn't scoring but he certainly brings other attributes to the ice. Josh Bailey on the other hand.....

We need D. IMO everything is built around the D. Good D creates better offense.

I happen to agree we need Moulson back. If not for skill how about for chemistry. He and JT compliment one another and make each other better players.

Maybe put Nelson on the first line and Vanek with Nielsen. That should create some secondary scoring. In truth none of it matters if we don't get a couple of capable, big bodied D men who can play hockey.
- mrock

A trade that should of never happened, Also the Nino trade we did not really need another grinding type forward we could of used him to maybe get a D man.

Disagree with me. Please.
- potvin05

I'll disagree. I don't think this teams play is a result of the trade and if it is there is much more wrong with this team then i thought previously. I agree Vanek has not been playing well and could be better but I'd still take him over Moulson any day of the week. I do agree with you on how much we payed for him and the return we got which is probably going to be worse when he doesn't resign. It was a horrible trade for Snow in the sense that he shouldn't have stopped with just this trade. He needed to do more and he didn't which was pretty stupid IMO. When the dust settles this will be looked on as a horrible trade but not because Vanek is a bad player but more because of the circumstances.

I think Vanek is a better player than Moulson. I don't think Moulson is worth what he's expected to be paid after this season, nor do I think Vanek will be worth what he wants. I think if they move Vanek around the deadline, they'll at least get a first rounder back. I don't think the Islanders stink because they have Vanek and not Moulson. It's easy to remember the perennial 30 goal scorer part of Moulson, but we tend to quickly forget just how bad he is defensively. The Islanders stink because they are the Islanders. I'm starting to think they could have Crosby, Ovie, a healthy Stamkos and Malkin on this team and they'd still stink.
- Charlie21

I agree they'll trade him i don't see him resigning but EVERY GM in this league are once again going to kn ow Snow is desperate and low ball him. He should get a first rounder but if it is it'll be a late pick in a weak draft.

Trade our only real NHL defenseman? No lol
Not that it's not possibly fair value, but we cannot do tjat
- Danformo

We all know Hamonic has the potential to be but at this point this is debatable.

Funny how now with the losses everyone thinks Capuano is terrible. Was he terrible last year with almost the same roster making the playoffs? Are the injuries his fault? Again, he is clearly not a great coach but he managed to get this team to the playoffs last year. Is it really his fault that Grabner isn't scoring or Bailey isn't even showing up most nights? Or that Bouchard was a waste of space or we traded Moulson and 1st & 2nd Rounders for a guy who doesn't seem to fit in this sytem? One of my points was that this also falls on the players. Yes, Cappy will be gone soon, but will it really change? Hopefully yes, but realistically probably NOT.
- aaronfeigin

Yes

Vanek isn't exactly stellar and is pretty lazy without the puck
- Isles316

He is a much better player than Moulson. Much better in the neutral zone(where Moulson was deplorable), defensively(which says a lot about Moulson), along the boards, he is a much better overall player. I'm not saying Vanek is some great two way player but he is a MUCH better player than Matt Moulson.

Would you guys trade Hamonic for Reimer?
- ThePresident

No... upgrading the goaltending is a WANT.. not a NEED

We NEED quality NHL defensemen & Hamonic is one of the few we have.


XxNYIxX

I don't know how some of you can sugercoat it. He's not a franchise player, I'm sick of all the excuses for him. You don 't make that kind of trade for mediocrity. Funny thing is JT and KO are still producing, Vanek...meh. You make the kind of trade where you dispose of a 30-goal scorer and 2 high picks, I expect something great. Sorry, that's just me.

This team has flat out sucked since that trade.
- potvin05

Team wasn't that good before the trade either. Besides, Moulson and PAP (a/k/a the great PAP) being on the isles didn't stop this team from going 0-for-November and falling out of the playoff hunt by christmas in years past.

Want to look at a specific date this years pathetic version of the NYI went off the rails? It was when Vis and Strait went down.

Would you guys trade Hamonic for Reimer?
- ThePresident

No,

Vanek isn't exactly stellar and is pretty lazy without the puck
- Isles316

15 games with the Isles, 5 goals, 11 pts. Not bad. Besides, my recollection of Moulson away from the puck is that he was pretty miserable.

Disagree with me. Please.
- potvin05

What is to disagree? They should have used those assets they used in the Vanek trade to solidify their defense and goaltending...but hindsight is 20-20...

If we have a god chance to resign Vanek to a new deal, I wouldn't be against the idea of signing Moulson in offseason.

Vanek Tavares Okposo
Moulson Strome Nelson
Lee Nielsen Clutterback
Martin Cizikas Mcdonald

Hamonic De Haan
Reinhart Viysnky
Hickey Mayfield

Reimer
Poulin

What is to disagree? They should have used those assets they used in the Vanek trade to solidify their defense and goaltending...but hindsight is 20-20...
- kear20

I don't think it involves hindsight? Any of us I think would agree with that the day of the trade. I know I wouldve but I was naive enough to believe that Snow was actually going to do more and not stop with the vanek trade. That is where the trade went horribly wrong imo. Snow thinking that was all he should do was ridiculously stupid for so many different reasons all of which we are aware.

If we have a god chance to resign Vanek to a new deal, I wouldn't be against the idea of signing Moulson in offseason.

Vanek Tavares Okposo
Moulson Strome Nelson
Lee Nielsen Clutterback
Martin Cizikas Mcdonald

Hamonic De Haan
Reinhart Viysnky
Hickey Mayfield

Reimer
Poulin
- ISLES1119

When Moulson was moved to any other line besides the first he doesnt produce. We've seen this how many times? In fact he doesnt produce for the most part unless hes on the pp. Its not worth resigning him imo.

Disagree with me. Please.
- potvin05

DONE..I disagree..not just a little, but a lot.
Moulson is effective within 3 feet of the crease. The rest of the rink he's utterly worthless. That's not to say his type is without value, but in a first line role, I don't need a guy who is so one dimensional that it starts dictating what type of players I have to put on the right wing in order to keep him from handicapping the line to the point of being a liability. The Isles were 4-7 prior to trade. It's widely agreed that our losses have had little to do with the offense and a lot to do with the defense, what precisely was Moulson going to do to help that.

Neither Moulson or Vanek are strong defensively, put I'd definitely take Vanek long before Moulson in an open draft. As for the picks, who cares? We're loaded with prospects that will have a positive effect on this team in the next couple of years, it's no use stocking gold if you never intend to spend a penny.

That top line has been the 2nd most productive line in the NHL over the last dozen games. I'm pretty certain that one of the reasons JT and KO have INCREASED their production since Moulson left is because Vanek forces the defense to play honest.

What is to disagree? They should have used those assets they used in the Vanek trade to solidify their defense and goaltending...but hindsight is 20-20...
- kear20

Again though, how many major deals have we seen for a dman so far this year? We can complain about not acquiring a dman to stop the bleeding all we want but to simply say 'they should have gotten someone' without having any reason to believe anyone was available....

Funny how now with the losses everyone thinks Capuano is terrible. Was he terrible last year with almost the same roster making the playoffs? Are the injuries his fault? Again, he is clearly not a great coach but he managed to get this team to the playoffs last year. Is it really his fault that Grabner isn't scoring or Bailey isn't even showing up most nights? Or that Bouchard was a waste of space or we traded Moulson and 1st & 2nd Rounders for a guy who doesn't seem to fit in this sytem? One of my points was that this also falls on the players. Yes, Cappy will be gone soon, but will it really change? Hopefully yes, but realistically probably NOT.
- aaronfeigin

Is this your first time to our little corner of Hockeybuzz? This board was more than just a little critical throughout all of last year. Even when we were winning, it was apparent this team had caught lightning in a bottle and was producing in spite of Cappy's odd personnel decisions and disorganized system.

As for whether things will change when he leaves, I suppose that all depends on Garth and his next choice.

Team wasn't that good before the trade either. Besides, Moulson and PAP (a/k/a the great PAP) being on the isles didn't stop this team from going 0-for-November and falling out of the playoff hunt by christmas in years past.

Want to look at a specific date this years pathetic version of the NYI went off the rails? It was when Vis and Strait went down.
- Jethro09

Glad to have someone on board with that point. This isn't saying we'd be the same team as last year with them, but on a team this thin at defense, no matter what you think of either, losing both was a death sentence on this season. Couple that with a coach incapable of adjusting his strategy based on attrition and we're doomed.
Notice how much better we've been on defense over the last two games. One of those two has returned. Give us the other and this team can win some games. Unfortunately it's probably too late to consider a miracle comeback.