The coach and GM have to stick up for their player, even if they know they sound like idiots.
- bradleyc4

See I don't agree. I mean, say Wilson's hit was a bad hit and we will accept whatever punishment is dished out but Wilson wasn't trying to hurt anyone. He made a mistake. we will talk to him

that is how I would handle one of my players doing something like that.

I think they'd be worse off than that if they were in the west, due to playing western conference teams.
- BulliesPhan87

Exactly.

Imagine what their record would be if they had to play good teams on a regular basis. :shudder:

It always amazes me how these guys fight, get a 5 minute timeout to sit and really think about what they did, then go back out on the ice, bang, bump, push, hack and slash, but don't end up fighting again. Such a unique hockey mindset.
- wolfhounds

That's why you shouldn't give him (or a star teammate) the chance to go back on the ice. You want to take a run at one of our guys? Fine, then you're gonna be without the services of Alex Ovechkin for 3 months. Won't stop the first guy, but maybe the second guy thinks twice about it.

I can't stand how the NHL filters out hits in the highlights.

Reminds me of something else.

i would never seek retribution by targeting another player. and that's the problem with these game misconducts. these guys injure intentionally and never have to answer the bell. there's a shot that the victimized team retaliates against another uninvolved player, and then the guy who laid the first hit has to answer to his own teammates, but it's not the same thing.
- hammarby31

I think it's worse if he has to answer for his teammate. I've mentioned it a few times, but the Flyers were playing the Rags and one of the Rags was running around. Berube went up to Brian Leetch and said, "If your boy doesn't stop running around, I'm not gonna go after him, I'm gonna go after you." The guy stopped running around and actually apologized for it.

See I don't agree. I mean, say Wilson's hit was a bad hit and we will accept whatever punishment is dished out but Wilson wasn't trying to hurt anyone. He made a mistake. we will talk to him

that is how I would handle one of my players doing something like that.
- nastyflyergirl

Most coaches, GMs, captains, etc. don't let their true feelings out in the media.

They'll handle it internally, I'm sure.

I can't stand how the NHL filters out hits in the highlights.

Reminds me of something else.
- Flyersgod

The homosexual porn industry? They just can't make them the same way any more, I agree. It used to be an art, and now, I can't find a good man-on-man film anywhere. It's all about the grinding, none of the hot, steamy buildup.

no. he should have just jumped on him and pounded away.
- hammarby31

That is part of the problem with the rules. If Grossman pounds on the guy most likely the penalties would be evened out. The Flyers get no powerplay.

The thing is the players know they have a solid chance of laying a guy out and not getting thrown out of the game or not even being penalized in some cases. They also know they can draw a penalty on the other team by laying a guy out and then being attacked by the other team.

To me the lack of in game resolution leads to incidents like Thorntons. Wilson was removed from the game which calmed some nerves for the Flyers. We did not see a ton of chippy stuff after that. If he had been allowed to stay in the game we would have seen a different story.

That is part of the problem with the rules. If Grossman pounds on the guy most likely the penalties would be evened out. The Flyers get no powerplay.

The thing is the players know they have a solid chance of laying a guy out and not getting thrown out of the game or not even being penalized in some cases. They also know they can draw a penalty on the other team by laying a guy out and then being attacked by the other team.

To me the lack of in game resolution leads to incidents like Thorntons. Wilson was removed from the game which calmed some nerves for the Flyers. We did not see a ton of chippy stuff after that. If he had been allowed to stay in the game we would have seen a different story.
- mickel25

See: 2012 ECQF Game 3

No one is and I am not saying that you guys don't acknowledge a dangerous hit when one is made by a flyer. I am trying my best to say that yes I do think he should get a suspension and that it's not a hit player should be making but I don't like he deserves 5 games for that. We all know the penalties vary depending on player and if thats giroux making that hit he likely doesn't get a suspension same with Elias or anyone else who is a skill player you want to throw in there. I think 2 is fair plus the penalty he got when he made the hit. I don't think he wanted to kill Schenn and I am sure he was glad to see him shoot up. I also don't think the comments made by the coach or gm should reflect Tom as from everything I have watched of this kid he is a pretty good kid. No doubt what the gm and coach said was dumb but I think Tom knows that he shouldn't of made that hit.
- blizzzard

The league is definitely inconsistent, and they tend to punish the result as opposed to intent. It wasn't the worst hit in the world, but it was still dangerous and we're still not exactly sure what's up with Schenn. 2 to 4 games makes sense to me. I would cut it at 4 simply because the league already deemed a deliberate knee to the head of a man lying on the ice from a repeat offender to be worth 5.

Bill, what are the chances that Hartnell gets traded? He is at best a 2and line winger but a great locker room guy. Personally i am on edge about him... He wont ever score 30 goals and to me a locker room guy doesnt seem worth 4.7.
- Flyers-All-Day

I dont think the chances are great. Hartnell is on the first year of a long contract and seems to be declining already. His trade value will already be hurt by that. Then you have to consider that he has a NMC, so he has full control of where he goes and if he goes. I doubt you get more then a partial salary dump for picks for him.

I dont think the chances are great. Hartnell is on the first year of a long contract and seems to be declining already. His trade value will already be hurt by that. Then you have to consider that he has a NMC, so he has full control of where he goes and if he goes. I doubt you get more then a partial salary dump for picks for him.
- youarewrong

I think a playoff-bound team that sees itself as one piece away would go for him. He's generally a much better all-around player in the playoffs, and is a guy that 29 teams hate. Guys like that can be very valuable in a 7-game series.

He's not as agitating as before, but he drove the entire Penguins team crazy in 2012. Same with Boston in 2010.

The homosexual porn industry? They just can't make them the same way any more, I agree. It used to be an art, and now, I can't find a good man-on-man film anywhere. It's all about the grinding, none of the hot, steamy buildup.
- jmatchett383

The league is definitely inconsistent, and they tend to punish the result as opposed to intent. It wasn't the worst hit in the world, but it was still dangerous and we're still not exactly sure what's up with Schenn. 2 to 4 games makes sense to me. I would cut it at 4 simply because the league already deemed a deliberate knee to the head of a man lying on the ice from a repeat offender to be worth 5.
- wolfhounds

Exactly I am not defending what Wilson done or laughing about it because I am a Devils fan. I do however think this kid is a good kid and would like to believe the way he has been coached and perhaps treated in the dressing room has more to do with that decision then him actually wanted to hurt Schenn. Like a poster said he made a mistake now if he keeps making these mistakes I won't be so inclined to try and figure out why he would do something like that. I don't think it's an excuse for hurting somone or doing what he did but can you imagine being in a locker room with a bunch of guys like Ovie and others as a 19 year old rookie and you are the guy they rely on to stick up for them. I mean I could see how that might get to his head like I said he probably feels like a rock star in that room ( not for that hit but in general ) and to me that's the coaches job to bring someone else in to be doing the majority of their fighting this is a kid taken 16th overall. He should being fighting when it needs to be done but he has been relied upon lately because he can do it well. Oats needs to make sure the kid knows his role and knows he is allowed to fight but he doesn't need to be doing it all the time. Just kind of keep him level headed.

I was watching it and told my wife, "That's why I could never play in the NHL." Aside from not being good enough to crack the top-6 on a semi-pro team, there's no way I could control my emotions. I would have gone our of my way to throw the cheapest, dirtiest hit I could on Ovechkin, whether it be a 2-handed to break his leg or a blindside flying elbow while he was not paying attention during a stoppage.
- jmatchett383

sounds like you've got some issues. hey try messaging profanity to someone you don't even know on the board.....that should make you feel all better

sounds like you've got some issues. hey try messaging profanity to someone you don't even know on the board.....that should make you feel all better
- hogweed

sure thing bro
hey why don't you do drop a few hundred dollars on a bad blu ray player and then throw it out in the trash if it doesn't play movies well.

sounds like you've got some issues. hey try messaging profanity to someone you don't even know on the board.....that should make you feel all better
- hogweed

I would like to see Emery get the next game then Mason have his game in Columbus.

Injury to Schenn probably means Vandevelde moves up to the 3rd line and Rosehill is back in the lineup again.

I would like to see Emery get the next game then Mason have his game in Columbus.

Injury to Schenn probably means Vandevelde moves up to the 3rd line and Rosehill is back in the lineup again.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd prefer they stick McGinn in there on the 3rd line, but then you have no center. Still, I'd prefer McGinn on the 4th over Rosehill.

I hate the scoring system. How is a shootout win worth just as much as a thorough 5-2 victory? If there was no shootout, the Caps would be tied for 7th in the Metro.

I hate the scoring system. How is a shootout win worth just as much as a thorough 5-2 victory? If there was no shootout, the Caps would be tied for 7th in the Metro.
- PhillySportsGuy

I hate the shootout. Theoretically, you could go 82-0 and have no one on your team with a goal or assist.

I'd prefer they stick McGinn in there on the 3rd line, but then you have no center. Still, I'd prefer McGinn on the 4th over Rosehill.
- jmatchett383

Depending on how long Schenn is out. I would think they could make do with Read centering maybe?

I would like to see Emery get the next game then Mason have his game in Columbus.
- PhillySportsGuy

Mason's gotta go right back out there... build off his strong 2nd/3rd period from last night... get him on a virtuous cycle again.

Facing his old team for the first time at home should mitigate some of the jitters, as well.

I'd prefer they stick McGinn in there on the 3rd line, but then you have no center. Still, I'd prefer McGinn on the 4th over Rosehill.
- jmatchett383

I'd hate to break up Couts and Read, but Read has played center in the past so he'd be a candidate to play with Hartnell and Simmer. Then McGinn could play RW on Couts line. I feel like that makes the team weaker than just putting Vandevelde at center.

Depending on how long Schenn is out. I would think they could make do with Read centering maybe?
- Just5

Wouldn't wanna break that Couturier line up if possible. Also, Read had some REALLY good keeps playing the point last night. We've seen a lot of plays where Kimmo/Streit have it jump over their sticks and go the other way. It was nice seeing a player keep it in.