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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 18 @ 11:19 AM ET
Eventually, the game must end. Playing 4v4 or 3v3 gives an advantage to faster skating teams and a disadvantage to physical, forechecking teams. It's unfair to take away a teams biggest advantage then leave them no points if they lose.
- PhillySportsGuy


No, it's not unfair. The object of the game is to win. Every team does something "better" than every other team (see Brodeur, Martin, for example). It's up to your team to try to figure out how to beat the other team.

If tied after regulation, 4v4 OT until it ends. Two points to the winner, zero points for the loser. The frequency of games going beyond 10-12 minutes of OT will be so low as to render the tired "oh, the games are too long"argument moot.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
I'd like to see some of those 3-man teams.
Kane, Toews, Keith
Cosby, Malkin, Letang
Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green
Kopitar, Carter, Doughty
Getzlaf, Perry, whoever
Datsyuk, N/A

- jmatchett383


Rosehill,Rinaldo,Gill
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
I say first team to shoot an apple off the top of Pierre McGuire's dome wins.
- Tomahawk

WOW!
This is the best idea EVER!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:23 AM ET
If tied after regulation, 4v4 OT until it ends. Two points to the winner, zero points for the loser. The frequency of games going beyond 10-12 minutes of OT will be so low as to render the tired "oh, the games are too long"argument moot.
- Scoob



Full 5V5 OT, no line-changes. I doubt many OTs would last beyond 2-3 mins.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:23 AM ET
Rosehill,Rinaldo,Gill
- PhillySportsGuy

I think I threw up in my mouth...
Sigh...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
Regardless of how exactly a winner is decided, the loser point has to go. There's no reason a team should get a point in the standings for losing in overtime.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
A flat tax as a form of punishment makes a certain amount of sense, but it would never be as high as 10%.
- wolfhounds


If your trying to draw me into a political arguement its not going to work....
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:28 AM ET
Regardless of how exactly a winner is decided, the loser point has to go. There's no reason a team should get a point in the standings for losing in overtime.
- BulliesPhan87


Then you still have the issue of differently weighted games. I'm okay with the 3-0, 2-1 system.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:28 AM ET
If your trying to draw me into a political arguement its not going to work....
- youarewrong


Not you, just the groups that represent accountants.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:33 AM ET
Regardless of how exactly a winner is decided, the loser point has to go. There's no reason a team should get a point in the standings for losing in overtime.
- BulliesPhan87



W-L-T
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:33 AM ET
The reason I'd like to keep it is because teams will play more open. If not, they will play more for a tie to get the 1 point. If they already have 1 point, they will really open things up. Especially, if it's against an out of division team.
- PhillySportsGuy


The thing I dont like about it, is it clusters teams. It actually does a dis-service to bad teams that manage to get to OT alot because they wont get a high pick.

I'm not worried about teams letting up because they are going to want the extra points. They will try hard to win in regulation for 3 points then possibly lose in OT for 0. Teams that play for ties will quickly fall out of contention while their opponents are getting 2 more points then them most nights. It would be a different story if the reg win was still 2 points.

Besides, not many games will go to a tie regardless when your playing 5 mintes of 3 on 3 hockey.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
Never say never. Scott Gomez was traded
- PhillySportsGuy


For Ryan McDonagh.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
Not you, just the groups that represent accountants.
- jmatchett383


My Mom is a CPA that owns her own firm. And she is still in favor of a flat tax. She says people will still need accountants, but the chains like H&R Block would die away.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
For Ryan McDonagh.
- Feanor


He was kind of an afterthought. Chris Higgins was considered the centerpiece. Funny how that worked out.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:37 AM ET
For Ryan McDonagh.
- Feanor



To be completely fair to Gainey... he got rid of Chris Higgins' cap-hit, Gomez was still productive at that time, and McDonagh was thought to be DOA at Wisconsin.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:42 AM ET
I say first team to shoot an apple off the top of Pierre McGuire's dome wins.
- Tomahawk



What do you get for putting one between his eyes?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
What do you get for putting one between his eyes?
- Doc_Sarcasm


Another shot at the apple
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:43 AM ET
If your trying to draw me into a political arguement its not going to work....
- youarewrong


Nope, I wasn't. I just used the name of a concept we're likely all familiar with and similar arguments could be made for and against.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
Then you still have the issue of differently weighted games. I'm okay with the 3-0, 2-1 system.
- jmatchett383

No you don't? I'm suggesting that the winner gets two points, regardless of when in the game they win. Losers get no points regardless of when they lose. All games are worth two points the way I'm describing it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
No you don't? I'm suggesting that the winner gets two points, regardless of when in the game they win. Losers get no points regardless of when they lose. All games are worth two points the way I'm describing it.
- BulliesPhan87


Oh, okay. Deal then.
But...say a game is tied 2-2 with 2 minutes to go. If a team has a lot of offensive firepower, they will (most likely) play for the more open ice OT, much like teams play for the shootout. But I guess it falls on the other team to win in regulation.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
W-L-T
- Tomahawk

This would be ideal, in my opinion. But ties are gone forever, so I'd really just like to see that inexplicable third point removed from the game.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
No you don't? I'm suggesting that the winner gets two points, regardless of when in the game they win. Losers get no points regardless of when they lose. All games are worth two points the way I'm describing it.
- BulliesPhan87


It looks like a question but reads like a statement...

I'm so confused.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
It looks like a question but reads like a statement...

I'm so confused.

- wolfhounds

It's part of my mystique.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
What do you get for putting one between his eyes?
- Doc_Sarcasm


Wells Fargo Great Check of the Game
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
This would be ideal, in my opinion. But ties are gone forever, so I'd really just like to see that inexplicable third point removed from the game.
- BulliesPhan87


Like baseball. You basically keep playing until someone wins, even if you have to bring an outfielder in to pitch. Of course the comparison isn't without it's flaws simply because of the nature of the game, but play til you win is the point.

MLB even had to add importance to the All Star Game they got so much crap that one season when the game just pittered out.
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