as a UFA, Vanek got a 1st, 2nd, and someone who will be flipped for a 1st. Kane will net a brinks truck
- muffin_man

The fact that Kane wants out of Winnipeg brings down a little bit of their leverage. I still think that if Ottawa sits in at a potential top 10 spot by the deadline, Anaheim can make a good argument for Kane. Two 1st round picks this year, Andersen or Fasth, they have guys live Bonino, Rakell, Etem...etc. You're not going to get a better trading partner than this.

As long as Anaheim keeps Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Silfverberg, Fowler, Lindholm, Beauchemin and JOHN GIBSON,....I'd sell the farm to add Kane to that core

The fact that Kane wants out of Winnipeg brings down a little bit of their leverage. I still think that if Ottawa sits in at a potential top 10 spot by the deadline, Anaheim can make a good argument for Kane. Two 1st round picks this year, Andersen or Fasth, they have guys live Bonino, Rakell, Etem...etc. You're not going to get a better trading partner than this.

As long as Anaheim keeps Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Silfverberg, Fowler, Lindholm, Beauchemin and JOHN GIBSON,....I'd sell the farm to add Kane to that core
- sudburyboy

Does he really want out of Winterpeg? Or is this just another rumour created by HB posters to support their ridiculous trade ideas?

Curious why would LA be looking to acquire Thomas? Seems they've got two very capable back ups already in Scrivens and Martin....

Curious why would LA be looking to acquire Thomas? Seems they've got two very capable back ups already in Scrivens and Martin....
- MnGump

Because it happened in Eklund's NHL 14 Be A GM mode

Because it happened in Eklund's NHL 14 Be A GM mode
- FinAddict

The fact that Kane wants out of Winnipeg brings down a little bit of their leverage. I still think that if Ottawa sits in at a potential top 10 spot by the deadline, Anaheim can make a good argument for Kane. Two 1st round picks this year, Andersen or Fasth, they have guys live Bonino, Rakell, Etem...etc. You're not going to get a better trading partner than this.

As long as Anaheim keeps Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Silfverberg, Fowler, Lindholm, Beauchemin and JOHN GIBSON,....I'd sell the farm to add Kane to that core
- sudburyboy

Kane has never come out and said he wants out of Winnipeg.. If he did want out why would have he signed a long term contract before the lockout. He committed himself for 6 years to the Peg.

Sounds like your life in general.
- The-O-G

you're new here...
- muffin_man

Doesn't change the fact that Symba's post was funny as hell.

Agreed on some counts. But not all.

Mact hasnt even had the job for a year. And he has done some really good things. (gordon and perron-who's been a revelation)
although I do think hes finding the market tougher than he thought. "Oh u want our pretty good player"?
"Eberle"

I agree changes absolutely need to be made, but people have started to think its just an easy fix. We're gonna trade one of em, mgmt knows this. we just gotta get the right piece back. Not just trade for some plug just cause hes big and stronger.

Not to mention that there's also a core he's trying to build around. Not just through.
We didnt go through this just to be competitive. We were competitive before we blew it up. We want to be a perrenial contender.

So who do we deal?
Hall-he's our best player and the teams driving force.
Nuge- our 1 center and maybe the best long term.
Trading either of them is pretty silly in any realistic scenario.

One of the right wingers?
Eberle- u need complimentary scorers like him
Ykupov- same goes, but hes struggling and prob doesnt garner as much.
Also, u trade ebs and yaks continues to struggle; uve went from that position being one of your few strengths to a weakness.

Gagner? Is he worth much?

Of course we have to be willing to lose a trade to win one.
I just dont think its as open and shut as many outsiders see it.
No one is sick of this forever losing more than me, and changes will be made at some point.

Id say we can drastically improve thru dealing one or all of;
2014 1st
Gagner
Marincin/klefbom
Fa signing

Also, although button might be right in this instance as its pretty plain to see.
Generally he's an idiot.
- hugefemale dog77

OK.... I really like the Oilers, given the history with Sather, Mac T and our '94 Cup win, the positive energy of the fans at your home games. I actually watch a few games when I fall asleep watching Metro division crap and wake up later ready for some real hockey out West, including Tortorella in Vancouver. Except for his love for Richards and tough love for Kreider, I still think his ouster from the Rangers was a huge mistake. The way it went down, so suddenly, smelled to me like an Owner edict. I get the same feeling regarding your situation now. Mac T not being aggressive and wanting to move, just doesn't seem to fit his personality. Wish we knew what the lengthy discussions between he and Sather were all centered on and what was offered for Yak, if that was the real target. Rumors always swirl around players that appear out of favor with their current coach, so Yak and Del Zotto come up, but who knows for sure. Does Katz like to play GM like some others? Dolan isn't known for that, but I think he does get more involved, than given credit for.

Curious why would LA be looking to acquire Thomas? Seems they've got two very capable back ups already in Scrivens and Martin....
- MnGump

No kidding, from what I've seen of Jones and Scrivens this year they have one of the best goaltending situations in the league.

Curious why would LA be looking to acquire Thomas? Seems they've got two very capable back ups already in Scrivens and Martin....
- MnGump

LA isn't looking at Thomas, they'll be looking to trade Scrivens at some point this year when Quick returns. Scrivens has had a strong season but the unbelievable play of Jones has made him expendable.

OK.... I really like the Oilers, given the history with Sather, Mac T and our '94 Cup win, the positive energy of the fans at your home games. I actually watch a few games when I fall asleep watching Metro division crap and wake up later ready for some real hockey out West, including Tortorella in Vancouver. Except for his love for Richards and tough love for Kreider, I still think his ouster from the Rangers was a huge mistake. The way it went down, so suddenly, smelled to me like an Owner edict. I get the same feeling regarding your situation now. Mac T not being aggressive and wanting to move, just doesn't seem to fit his personality. Wish we knew what the lengthy discussions between he and Sather were all centered on and what was offered for Yak, if that was the real target. Rumors always swirl around players that appear out of favor with their current coach, so Yak and Del Zotto come up, but who knows for sure. Does Katz like to play GM like some others? Dolan isn't known for that, but I think he does get more involved, than given credit for.
- TJ

fo show.

and no doubt it's incredibly frustrating being an oiler fan right now.

first month it was just horrific goaltending that really let the team down.
then November showed abit of promise with a decent record even though we were pretty much done already. but still some hope of climbing out of the cellar to respectability.
now, it's some tough opponents and a predictable loss due to a predictable strategy against our smaller forwards and weak defence. miring ourselves firmly in the basement again.

as far as mdz; he wouldn't hurt as our defence is so bad. he's just not the true type of player we need to really make a huge difference. especially for one of our kids.
he'd prob be our number 2 or 3 guy for now. not ideal long term though.

a secondary player/pick/prospect? id absolutely entertain the thought.

but if its gonna be one of ebs/yaks/2014 1st..im holdin out for a bonafide top defencemen. and just to be clear, no I don't mean the elite weber types obviously. but there's a sh1tload of secondary types out there that could still make a huge difference on this team and be our number 1. staal, edler, yandle, ehrhoff etc etc etc etc

fo show.

and no doubt it's incredibly frustrating being an oiler fan right now.

first month it was just horrific goaltending that really let the team down.
then November showed abit of promise with a decent record even though we were pretty much done already. but still some hope of climbing out of the cellar to respectability.
now, it's some tough opponents and a predictable loss due to a predictable strategy against our smaller forwards and weak defence. miring ourselves firmly in the basement again.

as far as mdz; he wouldn't hurt as our defence is so bad. he's just not the true type of player we need to really make a huge difference. especially for one of our kids.
he'd prob be our number 2 or 3 guy for now. not ideal long term though.

a secondary player/pick/prospect? id absolutely entertain the thought.

but if its gonna be one of ebs/yaks/2014 1st..im holdin out for a bonafide top defencemen. and just to be clear, no I don't mean the elite weber types obviously. but there's a sh1tload of secondary types out there that could still make a huge difference on this team and be our number 1. staal, edler, yandle, ehrhoff etc etc etc etc
- hugefemale dog77

If we had a true number 1 defenceman our defence would look alright with everyone sliding down a spot, were missing that guy who can legitimately play 28 to 30 minutes a night. There are plenty of 3 - 4 defenceman on the team they are just expected to do more than they are able to

If we had a true number 1 defenceman our defence would look alright with everyone sliding down a spot, were missing that guy who can legitimately play 28 to 30 minutes a night. There are plenty of 3 - 4 defenceman on the team they are just expected to do more than they are able to
- oilstone

agreed. even one top pairing minute eater changes this team drastically.
still far from contender or even a playoff team, but not a true bottom feeder.

and lots of ference hate ive noticed. dude hasn't been put in a position to succeed.
he's playing top 2 a lot of nights!

he's a savvy, vet dman that doesn't have a ton of skill, but can still be extremely valuable. we've seen it.
make that guy a #5, or a 4 during injuries with lots of pk minutes, he's worth every penny imo.

as a UFA, Vanek got a 1st, 2nd, and someone who will be flipped for a 1st. Kane will net a brinks truck
- muffin_man

That was a poop trade though.....can't base stuff off of that.

That was a poop trade though.....can't base stuff off of that.
- The-O-G

was it?

even if vanek hasn't helped them a ton, hindsight's 20-20.

dude's shown he can be an elite goal scorer in this league. multiple times.
maybe a little one dimensional..but still.

he's worth more far than a first for sure.
id say a first and a solid roster player like moulson is reasonable. add in the probability of 2nds turning into stars and it's not as bad as some think imo.

especially for a team that's desperate to take the next step like the isles are/were

mtc?

The fact that Kane wants out of Winnipeg brings down a little bit of their leverage. I still think that if Ottawa sits in at a potential top 10 spot by the deadline, Anaheim can make a good argument for Kane. Two 1st round picks this year, Andersen or Fasth, they have guys live Bonino, Rakell, Etem...etc. You're not going to get a better trading partner than this.

As long as Anaheim keeps Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Silfverberg, Fowler, Lindholm, Beauchemin and JOHN GIBSON,....I'd sell the farm to add Kane to that core
- sudburyboy

Wanting out or not makes absolutely no difference in the NHL as far as leverage and trade value are concerned. A players talent and skill level is the only thing that matters. Whether a player likes where he's at or not has ZERO effect on how much a team gives or gets in trade value...

I totally believe that whoever misses out on Kane will make a play for Hemsky.

In other news, I missed out on a steak dinner and decided to eat cat poop.
- Morris

My favorite post maybe ever

Wanting out or not makes absolutely no difference in the NHL as far as leverage and trade value are concerned. A players talent and skill level is the only thing that matters. Whether a player likes where he's at or not has ZERO effect on how much a team gives or gets in trade value...
- MnGump

debateable for sure.

contract doesn't have anything to do with trade value either?

debateable for sure.

contract doesn't have anything to do with trade value either?
- hugefemale dog77

or health (Hemsky?) or whether you're an bumhole (Heatley?)

as a UFA, Vanek got a 1st, 2nd, and someone who will be flipped for a 1st. Kane will net a brinks truck
- muffin_man

Kane doesn't warrant any more in trade than Vanek did. Outside of his potential, Kane has done nothing of note so far in his short NHL career. Granted he's 7 years younger but still has not even come anywhere near touching the career stats of a Thomas Vanek.

Gobs of potential but already looking like a bit of a malcontent after signing a significantly huge contract. And I agree with the previous poster, that deal was made out of sheer stupidity on Snows part. Not exactly the type of trade that should be looked at as a precedent setter....

or health (Hemsky?) or whether you're an bumhole (Heatley?)
- Morris

contract--luongo
health-hemsky
ahole-heatley
asked for a trade-smyth?

as far as smyth goes; we only gave up colin effin fraser. but maybe they played possum and knew his legs were gone. Lombardi sure didn't seem pleased tho

contract--luongo
health-hemsky
ahole-heatley
asked for a trade-smyth?

as far as smyth goes; we only gave up colin effin fraser. but maybe they played possum and knew his legs were gone. Lombardi sure didn't seem pleased tho
- hugefemale dog77

They liked the cap space as it helped them blahblahblah we won the cup.

That's what LA fans keep telling me

was it?

even if vanek hasn't helped them a ton, hindsight's 20-20.

dude's shown he can be an elite goal scorer in this league. multiple times.
maybe a little one dimensional..but still.

he's worth more far than a first for sure.
id say a first and a solid roster player like moulson is reasonable. add in the probability of 2nds turning into stars and it's not as bad as some think imo.

especially for a team that's desperate to take the next step like the isles are/were
- hugefemale dog77

I would have to disagree, I thought this was a horible trade the moment it happened for a number of reasons, their stats were about the same when the trade happened, moulson and tavares played very well together not to mention they are best friends and roomates, vanek is not going to sign there it was rumored for quite a while before the trade that he wanted to try to sign with the wild this summer.
I thought at the time and still do that this would be the worst trade of the season