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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
cant believe this hasnt happened. take out coburn and the talent on the blue lines of the flyers and phantoms are probably a wash
- Just5


If my knowledge of recent Flyers history has taught me anything, it's that if this team was contending right now, half of their blue line would have contracted the plague by now and the GM would be working the phones to overpay for a defenseman.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
Alt has, what, 30 games of pro hockey under his belt? If this season truly is a "throw away" (we're, what, like 5 points out of the playoffs with 50 or so games to go?), then let's not give him a trial by fire where he's set up to fail. Let him learn pro hockey in the AHL, and if things go sour by mid-February, then we should think about it. Same for Lauridsen; a year and a quart or so of pro hockey, and apparently he's been working on his defense game and getting very good at it down with the Phantoms. Let him continue to refine it, and give him a shot, again, if things go sour later on. Right now, they're both better served getting top-4 minutes in Adirondack and working on their game. Won't get the same opportunity in the NHL.
- jmatchett383

Totally agree with this. Lauridsen played pretty well in his call up last year, but I don't think he looked ready for the NHL for reals.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:26 AM ET
If my knowledge of recent Flyers history has taught me anything, it's that if this team was contending right now, half of their blue line would have contracted the plague by now and the GM would be working the phones to overpay for a defenseman.
- johndewar

Haha this is so true
Wacky season, no D injuries, really solid goaltending and they are closer to a lottery pick in the draft then a playoff spot.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
Haha this is so true
Wacky season, no D injuries, really solid goaltending and they are closer to a lottery pick in the draft then a playoff spot.

- Marc D


Your typical High School acne infested, tuba playing, band geek scores more than this team does.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 17 @ 11:36 AM ET
Your typical High School acne infested, tuba playing, band geek scores more than this team does.
- PLindbergh31


The tuba happens to be a very romantic instrument
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:37 AM ET
You forgot 7. Stay out of the (frank)ing box
- jmatchett383

haha
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
Haha this is so true
Wacky season, no D injuries, really solid goaltending and they are closer to a lottery pick in the draft then a playoff spot.

- Marc D

That's a creative way to look at it.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:42 AM ET
Your typical High School acne infested, tuba playing, band geek scores more than this team does.
- PLindbergh31


jackfrost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 06.30.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:46 AM ET
Rank the hate:

Tie Domi
Matthew Barnaby
Scott Stevens
Sean Avery
Darcy Tucker

- jmatchett383



You forgot to add Dale Hunter to that list ...
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:48 AM ET
That's a creative way to look at it.
- Pixote Andolini

Trying to stay positive today.

The first line has looked good since Raffl, and I was very encouraged by Streit's goal last game. He timed the neutral zone play just right to create the turnover, then jumped up into offense mode and scored a huge goal to put the Flyers in the lead.
More of this kind of play please.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 11:51 AM ET
The tuba happens to be a very romantic instrument
- PhillySportsGuy

All those deep bass notes.

It's the Barry White of the horn section.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 17 @ 12:03 PM ET
Trying to stay positive today.

The first line has looked good since Raffl, and I was very encouraged by Streit's goal last game. He timed the neutral zone play just right to create the turnover, then jumped up into offense mode and scored a huge goal to put the Flyers in the lead.
More of this kind of play please.

- Marc D


Also Couturier scoring his signature goal again.

The fact that they scored so many good goals and then blew it in the last 10 minutes was terrible.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 12:17 PM ET
Also Couturier scoring his signature goal again.

The fact that they scored so many good goals and then blew it in the last 10 minutes was terrible.

- Feanor

Couts is awesome.
Thank you Homer for not trading him.
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Dec 17 @ 12:20 PM ET
is it me, or is this the

MOST

BORING

SEASON

EVER!


let's get some trades up in this female dog.

Both Schenns and Vorachek for Evander Kane and Byfuglien.


Then sign Phaneuf on the offseason. Blue line = FIXED yo!
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:20 PM ET
Could be worse.. we could be Leafs fans...

Hilarious Leafs fan video from last year's playoffs..

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam.../2013/12/16/21342256.html

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:22 PM ET
is it me, or is this the

MOST

BORING

SEASON

EVER!


let's get some trades up in this female dog.

Both Schenns and Vorachek for Evander Kane and Byfuglien.


Then sign Phaneuf on the offseason. Blue line = FIXED yo!

- eshake


Hahah nice. I want no part of Phaneuf or his wardrobe on this team but would gladly take Elisha
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:22 PM ET
Trying to stay positive today.

The first line has looked good since Raffl, and I was very encouraged by Streit's goal last game. He timed the neutral zone play just right to create the turnover, then jumped up into offense mode and scored a huge goal to put the Flyers in the lead.
More of this kind of play please.

- Marc D


Today on Hockeybuzz.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 12:25 PM ET
Today on Hockeybuzz.

- Pixote Andolini

Great!
Needs Barry White and some waffles to be perfect.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:27 PM ET
Great!
Needs Barry White and some waffles to be perfect.

- Marc D

Oh damn I missed the Barry White & waffles bit.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:31 PM ET
I want to 60 minutes of serious hard work!
- FlyersGrace

that would be awesome
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:31 PM ET
is it me, or is this the

MOST

BORING

SEASON

EVER!


let's get some trades up in this female dog.

Both Schenns and Vorachek for Evander Kane and Byfuglien.


Then sign Phaneuf on the offseason. Blue line = FIXED yo!

- eshake

i dunno if i'd be pissed or happy if we signed Phaneuf
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 17 @ 12:41 PM ET
i dunno if i'd be pissed or happy if we signed Phaneuf
- 2Real


His cap hit of around $7m will be hard to fit unless one of Grossmann or LSchenn is traded and replaced by a cheaper defenseman or Alt or Lauridsen. Note this lineup doesn't even include Downie who will surely get $3m+ per season.

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($2.750m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Adam Hall ($0.700m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($3.500m)
Ray Emery ($1.500m)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,010,595; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $6,089,405
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Dec 17 @ 12:42 PM ET
i dunno if i'd be pissed or happy if we signed Phaneuf
- 2Real


well, i think he'd be a $1million upgrade on the current Timmonen contract...so depending on what he's looking for, i'd be stoked.

AND, if we trade away Luke Schenn in my proposed trade, we would only have to worry about him getting along with Scotty Hartnell
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 17 @ 12:53 PM ET
His cap hit of around $7m will be hard to fit unless one of Grossmann or LSchenn is traded and replaced by a cheaper defenseman or Alt or Lauridsen. Note this lineup doesn't even include Downie who will surely get $3m+ per season.

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($2.750m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Adam Hall ($0.700m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($3.500m)
Ray Emery ($1.500m)

SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,010,595; BONUSES: $212,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $6,089,405

- Feanor

Well I think one of Coburn or Grossman will be gone after this season. Mezsaros is gone too
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 17 @ 1:04 PM ET
Well I think one of Coburn or Grossman will be gone after this season. Mezsaros is gone too
- 2Real

If they trade Coburn or Grossmann that would indicate they are in full rebuild mode.
Like a 5+ year rebuild. Which seems highly unlikely given its Ed Snider and the Flyers.

Coburn and Grossmann are legit NHL defenseman with reasonable contracts.
Especially Coburn.

Those two would be hard to replace with the current market for D.

Mez will be gone next yr. Kimmo is likely gone as well.
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