Very true. Franchise centers are hard to come by. Stars had depth on the wing allowing Erkisson to be expendable. Plus Eriksson is now always hurts. Stars really pulling ahead in this deal.
- blacksheep1

Yeah it's not looking like a great deal for Boston so far. I think it could end up a cautionary tale about trading young players like that.

Well the stars traded eriksson, a top prospext (morrow), a good young player (smith), and fraser for.seguin and a salary dump of peverly.

I think nash might have even more value than seguin. I think a deal for nash would be based on some similar package, if not more. I think pacioretty, gallagher, a pick, and a prospect fits the mold.
- rangerdanger94

I think Seguin value is better. The guy produce over 1 ppg, younger, 1rst line center. Speaking of the return, Smith is a surprise, Fraser is interesting and I dont rank Morrow anywhere close of a top prospect, this guy might hide something, 3 teams in a few months... Also Dallas overpay for Seguin. Eriksson would have replace Seguin production easily, Smith is a bonus, btut dallas still won that trade.

Well the stars traded eriksson, a top prospext (morrow), a good young player (smith), and fraser for.seguin and a salary dump of peverly.

I think nash might have even more value than seguin. I think a deal for nash would be based on some similar package, if not more. I think pacioretty, gallagher, a pick, and a prospect fits the mold.
- rangerdanger94

Seguin has WAAAAAY more value than Nash IMO. Dallas won that trade already.
Edit: Nash's point production in relation to salary is not good. Lots of guys get paid less and produce way more. Crosbys cap hit is 8.7 mill. Nash is 7.8. I would take Pacioretty heading into his prime years at 4+ million. Gives me a 25-30 goal man and cap flexibility to add/keep players.

Well the stars traded eriksson, a top prospext (morrow), a good young player (smith), and fraser for.seguin and a salary dump of peverly.

I think nash might have even more value than seguin. I think a deal for nash would be based on some similar package, if not more. I think pacioretty, gallagher, a pick, and a prospect fits the mold.
- rangerdanger94

um, no. Nash carries nowhere near the value of Seguin.

I think Seguin value is better. The guy produce over 1 ppg. Speaking of the return, Smith is a surprise, Fraser is interesting and I dont rank Morrow anywhere close of a top prospect, this guy might hide something, 3 teams in a few months... Also Dallas overpay for Seguin. Eriksson would have replace Seguin production easily, Smith is a bonus.
- Prusthemust

Erkisson is on his 2nd concussion and Tyler Seguin is only on pace to have a career year.

Erkisson is on his 2nd concussion and Tyler Seguin is only on pace to have a career year.
- blacksheep1

It sucks for Eriksson he was a constant player for Dallas, and Tyler finaly produce at his talent level.

It sucks for Eriksson he was a constant player for Dallas, and Tyler finaly produce at his talent level.
- Prusthemust

It's not Eriksson's fault, and I want nothing more for him to get healthy. But if this is the way Tyler Seguin is going to play from now on, Dallas got the better of this deal.

On the other hand, Seguin is far younger, is a center, and has a friendlier contract.
- S Kaspar Rollins

and was also unproven and had a ton of question marks at the time he was dealt.

Seguin has WAAAAAY more value than Nash IMO. Dallas won that trade already.
Edit: Nash's point production in relation to salary is not good. Lots of guys get paid less and produce way more. Crosbys cap hit is 8.7 mill. Nash is 7.8. I would take Pacioretty heading into his prime years at 4+ million. Gives me a 25-30 goal man and cap flexibility to add/keep players.
- SmielmaN

seguin only had 121 points in over 200 games when he was dealt. you forget he was also rumored to be a huge alcoholic and the most immature player in the eastern conference when he was dealt. seguin's value, when he was dealt, was not higher than nash's is now in my opinion.

seguin only had 121 points in over 200 games when he was dealt. you forget he was also rumored to be a huge alcoholic and the most immature player in the eastern conference when he was dealt. seguin's value, when he was dealt, was not higher than nash's is now in my opinion.
- rangerdanger94

Yes, because all the rumors that the team spreads when justifying such a trade should be taken at face value.

That nonsense tends to matter more for PR than actual trade value IMO. Remember that the time between the rumors and the time in which he was dealt were pretty short, which is what makes me pretty skeptical of the notion they were actually hurting his trade value.

Yes, because all the rumors that the team spreads when justifying such a trade should be taken at face value.
- S Kaspar Rollins

sure, totally ignore my other point about how he hadn't proven himself and was nowhere near the player he is now when he was dealt.

I love patches but I dont think he can do the stuff nash does on the ice in his dreams even. Patches is on a bobby ryan level and nash is on corey perry's

As for subban and mcdonagh...fair trade but mcdonagh might be a top 5 defender in terms of shutting guys down and is our only consistent defenseman this season. Not to mention his AMAZING contract, which adds a ton of value. Subban is probably looking for 7 or 8 mil a year.
- rangerdanger94

Corey Perry>Nash its not even close, no offense. Also Bobby Ryan has more value than Nash as well, so not sure what you mean by saying Patches is on Ryan level. BTW can we stop calling him Patches

Well the stars traded eriksson, a top prospext (morrow), a good young player (smith), and fraser for.seguin and a salary dump of peverly.

I think nash might have even more value than seguin. I think a deal for nash would be based on some similar package, if not more. I think pacioretty, gallagher, a pick, and a prospect fits the mold.
- rangerdanger94

What if it was Pacioretty, Desharnais, Beaulieu and a 1st?

Corey Perry>Nash its not even close, no offense. Also Bobby Ryan has more value than Nash as well, so not sure what you mean by saying Patches is on Ryan level. BTW can we stop calling him Patches
- mighty13duck

LOOOL

and yes perry > nash but nash is probably 2 or 3 players behind perry. the top right wingers in order are probably ovechkin, perry, kane, kessel, nash.

sure, totally ignore my other point about how he hadn't proven himself and was nowhere near the player he is now when he was dealt.
- rangerdanger94

Meanwhile you completely remove placing him in the context of his age, position and contract, which as I pointed out is crucial. It was extremely rare for a young center of Seguin's pedigree to hit the market and still is.

LOOOL

and yes perry > nash but nash is probably 2 or 3 players behind perry. the top right wingers in order are probably ovechkin, perry, kane, kessel, nash.
- rangerdanger94

I agree, and you can add Ryan and Hall there as well. But isn't Ovi a center?

I agree, and you can add Ryan and Hall there as well. But isn't Ovi a center?
- mighty13duck

No. At no point in his career has he been one.

and was also unproven and had a ton of question marks at the time he was dealt.
- rangerdanger94

I disagree. Seguin did not fit the Bruins "mold" of big, physical, nasty player. Seguin was big in a limited role and big in the playoffs. I believe in hindsight Edmonton would have taken him instead of Hall if they could do it over again. I don't think Chicago cared so much about Kane's off ice problems that they wanted to trade him.

Nash got tired of losing in Columbus so he forced a trade (lowers value there), has a bad contract in relation to production (further lowers value), and he has done nothing spectacular for NYR since arriving. NYR loves big names and they go out of their way to more than compensate. I think that trade is somewhat slanted towards Columbus as they took a piece of NYR's heart and soul, a first rounder, a third line player and a D prospect (who I think will be ok as long as he keeps his ego in check).

Your talking about Nash as if he was just taken 1st overall. He's a very good player, but he isn't worth his contract and hasn't lived up to it. He should be a 6-6.5 million player to get value for his contract. Instead it's a huge cap hit for declining production.

LOOOL

and yes perry > nash but nash is probably 2 or 3 players behind perry. the top right wingers in order are probably ovechkin, perry, kane, kessel, nash.
- rangerdanger94

Maybe its me being biased and a ducks fan as well as an isles fan but Ryan is a very good winger and hes young, with no concussion history. That adds to his value imo.

LOOOL

and yes perry > nash but nash is probably 2 or 3 players behind perry. the top right wingers in order are probably ovechkin, perry, kane, kessel, nash.
- rangerdanger94

Depends if you are talking offensive game or complete game. Offensively speaking, I think your list is accurate. Complete game, I'd place Nash ahead of Kessel and close to Kane really.

No. At no point in his career has he been one.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Wow I never noticed....

Meanwhile you completely remove placing him in the context of his age, position and contract, which as I pointed out is crucial. It was extremely rare for a young center of Seguin's pedigree to hit the market and still is.
- S Kaspar Rollins

how was seguin's close to $6 million a year contract something that helped his value when he was unproven and nobody knew if he was worth it?

yes seguin was young, but he also didn't do anything to warrant that deal and it was a huge risk of a trade. obviously is paid off, but come on...some people even thought boston won the trade when it went down because seguin was such a question mark at the time.

young center's of seguin's pedigree never hit the market, but wingers of nash's talent never do either...

I disagree. Seguin did not fit the Bruins "mold" of big, physical, nasty player. Seguin was big in a limited role and big in the playoffs. I believe in hindsight Edmonton would have taken him instead of Hall if they could do it over again. I don't think Chicago cared so much about Kane's off ice problems that they wanted to trade him.

Nash got tired of losing in Columbus so he forced a trade (lowers value there), has a bad contract in relation to production (further lowers value), and he has done nothing spectacular for NYR since arriving. NYR loves big names and they go out of their way to more than compensate. I think that trade is somewhat slanted towards Columbus as they took a piece of NYR's heart and soul, a first rounder, a third line player and a D prospect (who I think will be ok as long as he keeps his ego in check).

Your talking about Nash as if he was just taken 1st overall. He's a very good player, but he isn't worth his contract and hasn't lived up to it. He should be a 6-6.5 million player to get value for his contract. Instead it's a huge cap hit for declining production.
- SmielmaN

While much of this rings true, I have one reason for being interested in paying a steep price for Nash if I'm Bergevin, and he wears #27 in Montreal right now.

Maybe its me being biased and a ducks fan as well as an isles fan but Ryan is a very good winger and hes young, with no concussion history. That adds to his value imo.
- mighty13duck

That does strike me as a case where the guy's rumored "cancer" properties did hurt the trade value, but mostly because it was spread over something like a year rather than 2 weeks.

I disagree. Seguin did not fit the Bruins "mold" of big, physical, nasty player. Seguin was big in a limited role and big in the playoffs. I believe in hindsight Edmonton would have taken him instead of Hall if they could do it over again. I don't think Chicago cared so much about Kane's off ice problems that they wanted to trade him.

Nash got tired of losing in Columbus so he forced a trade (lowers value there), has a bad contract in relation to production (further lowers value), and he has done nothing spectacular for NYR since arriving. NYR loves big names and they go out of their way to more than compensate. I think that trade is somewhat slanted towards Columbus as they took a piece of NYR's heart and soul, a first rounder, a third line player and a D prospect (who I think will be ok as long as he keeps his ego in check).

Your talking about Nash as if he was just taken 1st overall. He's a very good player, but he isn't worth his contract and hasn't lived up to it. He should be a 6-6.5 million player to get value for his contract. Instead it's a huge cap hit for declining production.
- SmielmaN

yea because all the pieces boston traded seguin for fit the boston model of big and mean too?

whatever. it's a pointless debate. nash was considered an automatic lock for top 10 player in the entire NHL a few years ago but now, not so much. don't really understand it. he was unbelievable for the rangers last year, besides the playoffs, and has been our best forward this year too. to say he hasn't done anything special isn't a fair statement.

i have no issues with nash's salary and think he is every bit worth it. i was surprised at how great of a player nash was when he got over here and he far exceeded my expectations. the goals he's scored for us are unreal.