Your crazy. Do you watch Nash at all ? and when has Pacioretty ever scored 30 goals ? There isn't a scenario where I see him ever having the same talent as Nash ever.
- blizzzard

Hi, I'm 2011/12.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=99420

Your crazy. Do you watch Nash at all ? and when has Pacioretty ever scored 30 goals ? There isn't a scenario where I see him ever having the same talent as Nash ever.
- blizzzard

2011-2012 ?

2011-2012 ?
- Popofjc

Facts Schmacts

Pacioretty scored 33 goals in 2011-2012.
- qwijibo

Ok Nash has scored 30 goals every year except for his rookie year an one other season on a way worse team and had 21 last year 40 twice he is a much more dynamic player and for the age difference and cap I still wouldn't trade Nash straight up for Pacioretty.

Your crazy. Do you watch Nash at all ? and when has Pacioretty ever scored 30 goals ? There isn't a scenario where I see him ever having the same talent as Nash ever.
- blizzzard

Yes, I've seen Nash play plenty. I've also seen Pacioretty play a lot. He scored 33 two years ago, was on pace for nearly 30 last season, and is on pace for 30+ this season. He's also doing this at about $3.5M per year less than Nash. Maybe you're the one who's not watching enough hockey.

Your crazy. Do you watch Nash at all ? and when has Pacioretty ever scored 30 goals ? There isn't a scenario where I see him ever having the same talent as Nash ever.
- blizzzard

Here are the number over the past 4 years:

Nash (29 years old, $7.8 million cap hit)

2013-14: 6 goals in 17 games
2012-13: 21 goals in 44 games
2011-12: 30 goals in 82 games
2010-11: 32 goals in 75 games

Total: 89 goals in 218 games or scores in 41% of games

Pacioretty (25 years old, $4.5 million cap hit)

2013-14: 12 goals in 26 games
2012-13: 15 goals in 44 games
2011-12: 33 goals in 79 games
2010-11: 14 goals in 37 games

Total: 74 goals in 186 games or scores in 40% of games

So they produce at roughly the same clip only one player is 1/2 the cost and 4 years younger. Why on earth would Montreal trade them 1 for 1?

Yes, I've seen Nash play plenty. I've also seen Pacioretty play a lot. He scored 33 two years ago, was on pace for nearly 30 last season, and is on pace for 30+ this season. He's also doing this at about $3.5M per year less than Nash. Maybe you're the one who's not watching enough hockey.
- Jeffmt

There is a reason why he is making that and that's because he has never scored more then 65 points. You watch the things Nash does with the puck and I just can't see how Max could ever do that. The Rangers dn't have the types of players Montreal does to make Max as successful as he is right now as Nash plays for a team in the bottom five in goals for and Max plays on a team that is middle of the pack for goals for. You swap Nash and Max you will see Nash's numbers rise and Max's fall.

Last week it was Montreal and Colorado about to make a trade; a virtual certainty in the next couple of months.

Last week it was Montreal talking to Calgary.

This week, NYR.

Next week ????

The only certainty is if Bergevin is any sort of GM, he's doing his due dilligence and is talking to EVERYONE in order to make this %&$*(% team better. Lots to unload, but why would anyone take them ? This isn't Leafs talk radio assuming that the Leafs can trade any bad player on their roster for a quality player on another roster; this is called reality.

The Habs are stuck with the hand they hold and can only pray for a good turn or river. STL stole on Halak trade, cutting their losses with their previous 13th overall pick. Draft McCarron about 10 positions away from where most figured he'd land and he's got 13 points in 32 games and misses the USA World Junior invite camp ... for size that won't be there for 3-4 years !?!?!?

Only time will tell

There is a reason why he is making that and that's because he has never scored more then 65 points. You watch the things Nash does with the puck and I just can't see how Max could ever do that. The Rangers dn't have the types of players Montreal does to make Max as successful as he is right now as Nash plays for a team in the bottom five in goals for and Max plays on a team that is middle of the pack for goals for. You swap Nash and Max you will see Nash's numbers rise and Max's fall.
- blizzzard

I disagree with that assessment personally. Pacioretty is playing with a guy who right now has 11 points. Last year that same center had only 28 points. Essentially pacioretty is the catalyst of the line.

There is no comparison in terms of skill level and dynamism as Nash is one of the most gifted players in the league but in the end that amounts to nothing. Kovalev is arguably the most gifted player to ever player this game with the puck, but what counts in the end is not how pretty you are but how you produce.

Pacioretty is really good in all aspects of his game as well bu is a north south type of guy whop does better when he doesn't carry the puck. In the end however he is a 30 goal scorer who can forecheck, play the PK and has shown that he cabn produce at a decent rate even when playing with AHL level talent on his line.

Like it or not they are virtually mirro images of one another in what they do, only one is younger and cheaper.

Personally I wouldnt mind seeing one on LW and one on RW on the same line.

There is a reason why he is making that and that's because he has never scored more then 65 points. You watch the things Nash does with the puck and I just can't see how Max could ever do that. The Rangers dn't have the types of players Montreal does to make Max as successful as he is right now as Nash plays for a team in the bottom five in goals for and Max plays on a team that is middle of the pack for goals for. You swap Nash and Max you will see Nash's numbers rise and Max's fall.
- blizzzard

Montreal is in the bottom third for goals right now. They haven't been a big scoring team in a while. If you think Pacioretty's linemates are propping him up you're dreaming. Nash is paid to produce and, regardless of what he does with the puck, he doesn't produce at a $7.8M rate. He was given a huge contract because he was playing in a small market where they were desperate to keep him. If I can get 40 goals (in a good year) from Nash, or I could get 30+ from Pacioretty with enough left over to sign a decent second pairing defenseman for the same as Nash's contract, I'm going with the latter for sure.

2013-14 MTL 10th NYR 20th
2012-13 MTL 4th NYR 12th
2011-12 MTL 28th NYR 2nd CBJ 30th
2010-11 MTL 14th CBJ 24th

Maybe that has something to do with it ? How many points would Phil Kessel or Pacioretty have on the Blue Jackets teams that Nash carried on his back ? All but one season and even that is arguable since Nash played most the season with the Jackets Pacioretty has played for a team that has placed higher in the standings.

It's best not to confuse Leaf fans with hockey fans.
- razr

Excuse me?

I disagree with that assessment personally. Pacioretty is playing with a guy who right now has 11 points. Last year that same center had only 28 points. Essentially pacioretty is the catalyst of the line.

There is no comparison in terms of skill level and dynamism as Nash is one of the most gifted players in the league but in the end that amounts to nothing. Kovalev is arguably the most gifted player to ever player this game with the puck, but what counts in the end is not how pretty you are but how you produce.

Pacioretty is really good in all aspects of his game as well bu is a north south type of guy whop does better when he doesn't carry the puck. In the end however he is a 30 goal scorer who can forecheck, play the PK and has shown that he cabn produce at a decent rate even when playing with AHL level talent on his line.

Like it or not they are virtually mirro images of one another in what they do, only one is younger and cheaper.

Personally I wouldnt mind seeing one on LW and one on RW on the same line.
- willey101

And does he never play with anyone else or never get any points while on a different line ? he also has a guy named Subban to play with out side of his forward line and who is he with on the pp . Not saying he isn't a good player but I think if you swapped the to one's guys points would drop and the others would rise. Nash takes way to much flack from being on a team his whole career that might as well been an AHL team most years.

It's best not to confuse Leaf fans with hockey fans.


I know. I cant believe they're not posting their own trade proposals on this comment board.........yet
- mtn1mutt

Have nothing to say to you except, thank you for JVR!

Maybe it's something like Bourque and Murray for DZ and Pouliot. The Rangers need to get bigger at forward so it dosen't seem like MTL is a great fit to begin with.
- Ranger71

Now if I wrote that I'm a dumb leaf fan....funny. Oh you changed it, I thought the exact same thing as what you wrote the first time.

Does Brassard for Eller make any sense?

Eller was drafted in 2006. Brassard was drafted in 2007.

Eller has played 244 NHL games (41 G, 53 A, 94 Points).

Brassard has played 355 NHL games (68 G, 126 A, 194 Points).

I don't know what Eller's status is in Montreal, but perhaps the Rangers can see him fitting better with the current club, and perhaps the Habs wouldn't mind the arguably more creative French Canadian centermen than Eller. From the Rangers perspective, Eller will come cheaper next year than Brassard, as Brassards qualifying offer alone will be close to $4 million.
- Pete V

I think you got your year's crossed, Brassard was 2006, Eller was 2007.

Montreal is in the bottom third for goals right now. They haven't been a big scoring team in a while. If you think Pacioretty's linemates are propping him up you're dreaming. Nash is paid to produce and, regardless of what he does with the puck, he doesn't produce at a $7.8M rate. He was given a huge contract because he was playing in a small market where they were desperate to keep him. If I can get 40 goals (in a good year) from Nash, or I could get 30+ from Pacioretty with enough left over to sign a decent second pairing defenseman for the same as Nash's contract, I'm going with the latter for sure.
- Jeffmt

Nash got paid 7.8 because he was a work horse he could not only score 30 goals but play in all situations(pp and pk) and excel, the whole 40 goal ratio salary with Nash has been the monkey argument just shows how people don't look behind the stats.

I think you got your year's crossed, Brassard was 2006, Eller was 2007.
- mykokes

Yeah, I did. My apologies. Just typed it wrong. Brassard was the 2006 draft class, and Eller was 2007.

But Who sells tickets....Nash or Patches, 7.8m cap hit, sure slightly over paid, but I am sure Nash more than makes up for it with Jersey Sales, Merchandise, and ticket sales.

Kreider for Gallagher straight up. I would do it just to gain some size and speed. Gallagher would bring heart to the Rangers.
- flyerdude17

Put down your crack pipe

So they produce at roughly the same clip only one player is 1/2 the cost and 4 years younger. Why on earth would Montreal trade them 1 for 1?
- willey101

Because: Gomez for McDonagh

Because: Gomez for McDonagh
- Maskdman3

Different management though. And Bergvin doesn't like to trade

But Who sells tickets....Nash or Patches, 7.8m cap hit, sure slightly over paid, but I am sure Nash more than makes up for it with Jersey Sales, Merchandise, and ticket sales.
- DDM-Coga

I think you would be hard pressed to find a guy who has played on a worse team for 9 years and produced more then him ( I am not going to look it up ) but while Nash played for the Jackets the team finished:
2002-2003 28th 17 g 22 a 39 pts 74 gp
2003-2004 27th 41 g 16 a 57 pts 80 gp
2005-2006 25th 31 g 23 a 54 pts 54 gp
2006-2007 24th 27 g 30 a 57 pts 75 gp
2007-2008 25th 38 g 31 a 69 pts 80 gp
2008-2009 16th 40 g 39 a 79 pts 78 gp
2009-2010 27th 33 g 34 a 67 pts 76 gp
2010-2011 24th 32 g 34 a 66 pts 75 gp
2011-2012 30th 30 g 29 a 59 pts 82 gp
289 g 547 pts in 674 gp on a team that on average finished 25th in the league I would consider that to be pretty impressive.

the rangers worst contract for beaulieu?

There is a reason why he is making that and that's because he has never scored more then 65 points. You watch the things Nash does with the puck and I just can't see how Max could ever do that. The Rangers dn't have the types of players Montreal does to make Max as successful as he is right now as Nash plays for a team in the bottom five in goals for and Max plays on a team that is middle of the pack for goals for. You swap Nash and Max you will see Nash's numbers rise and Max's fall.
- blizzzard

Nash is infinitely more talented than Pacioretty.
but he isn't any more productive at this stage. and the Habs can't score for poop. 3 goals in their last 4 games. they are easily one of the worst offensive teams in the league 5-on-5.