phaneuf makes 6 million dollars more jbold.

either you cant do math or you have no understanding of how money works
- Dozzer

If we're being specific, he makes $5.5 million dollars more...

phaneuf makes 6 million dollars more jbold.

either you cant do math or you have no understanding of how money works
- Dozzer

Phaneuf is worth at least 6 more than Ranger.

Value is nice for depth. But when you're looking at your top guys, quality beats value.

Example: Raymond at 1M is better value than Kessel at 8M.

However, cloning Raymond, and replacing Kessel with the bellybuttonless Raymond does not improve the team.

- senstroll

A one year 5th or 6th d-man at 1 mil comparing to a potential 5 plus year 7 mil d-men, think about it, let it sink in.
- LeafMan

Dont need to. Its quite clear where people stand.

Let a poop Dman get a free pass for being crap every single game, and then bash our number 1 Dman who goes up against top lines every single game and does a solid job.


Seriously. Its sad how people will blame Phaneuf for everything but then decide to give Ranger a free pass because he plays bottom pairing minutes..

If anything, Ranger should be the one doing a good job considering he plays sheltered minutes. But yet, he's garbage.


I dont think these same people gave komisarek a free pass playing those minutes, either. They never talked about his money. Just how he was terrible.

It still baffles me how people try and rip Phaneuf, but those same people will stick up for Ranger like there's no tomorrow.
- jbold

I stick up for both of them... Context is a wonderful thing that escapes these boards far too often.

Biggs, John Micheal Liles, and calgary's 4th round pick next year

so an AHLer not making much noise.. a cap anchor (according to some of you) and a 4th

WHAT A RETURN
- Dozzer

?

thats not what they traded kaberle for.
at the time we wanted to dump Kaberle and couldnt believe the return we got.

Ding ding ding
- Yeti1181

Hector?!


Is that you???

And if the rest of the team was worth a damn, those would have been good signings.
But the Leafs were on the brink of a rebuild and didn't want to admit it.
Is that where you see them now?

Phaneuf isn't just the best of the Leafs.

He's one of the best in the NHL. Top-10.

If we go back to Corsi-loving, he's got the hardest competition of any defebsemen in the league, and one of the best goals/against.... in general the only guys with better goals against see sheltered minutes. He finishes in the offensive zone more than he starts there. He blocks shots and hits. He puts up points.

If you get rid of him, and hope to find someone half as good as him in UFA for cheaper, you're going to wind up drafting in the top-5 for a few years, hoping to grab someone who you hope will give you that quality of play in the next decade.

These aren't opinions, either. They're cold hard numbers coupled with history.

If you want to get rid of Phaneuf, without having a guaranteed top-pairing guy coming back, you may as well trade anyone else who's over 25.
- Feeling Glucky?

How is it that Phaneuf has the hardest competition of any dman in the league?

Sorry, as an overall Dman....he's not top 10...maybe top 15....

But we're talking kabwrle, and they both made more than him, for the same or less production.

Jbo today is much better than Jbo from 6 yrs ago.

At the time, Jbo's career best season was almost as good as kaberles career average
- Big_Lightnin

and lets nto forget: Jbo 2 years ago was a joke contract, because he had nobody to help him out and looked like poop. Only reason his name is being brought up right now is because he's playing on a team that has another top-pairing d-man, and forwards that support the d.

Dont need to. Its quite clear where people stand.

Let a poop Dman get a free pass for being crap every single game, and then bash our number 1 Dman who goes up against top lines every single game and does a solid job.


Seriously. Its sad how people will blame Phaneuf for everything but then decide to give Ranger a free pass because he plays bottom pairing minutes..

If anything, Ranger should be the one doing a good job considering he plays sheltered minutes. But yet, he's garbage.


I dont think these same people game komisarek a free pass playing those minutes, either. They never talked about his money. Just how he was terrible.
- jbold

Well this makes just too much sense.

A one year 5th or 6th d-man at 1 mil comparing to a potential 5 plus year 7 mil d-men, think about it, let it sink in.
- LeafMan

Think about how much the cap is going to rise. Doooooo iiittttt now.

Dont need to. Its quite clear where people stand.

Let a poop Dman get a free pass for being crap every single game, and then bash our number 1 Dman who goes up against top lines every single game and does a solid job.


Seriously. Its sad how people will blame Phaneuf for everything but then decide to give Ranger a free pass because he plays bottom pairing minutes..

If anything, Ranger should be the one doing a good job considering he plays sheltered minutes. But yet, he's garbage.


I dont think these same people game komisarek a free pass playing those minutes, either. They never talked about his money. Just how he was terrible.
- jbold

That is where you are wrong, We have said, if they choose to bring up, for example MacWilliams to replace Ranger, then fine but right now they have NO ONE to replace him that they think is ready.

How is it that Phaneuf has the hardest competition of any dman in the league?

Sorry, as an overall Dman....he's not top 10...maybe top 15....
- Fakepartofme

according to Corsi.

Phaneuf is worth at least 6 more than Ranger.

Value is nice for depth. But when you're looking at your top guys, quality beats value.

Example: Raymond at 1M is better value than Kessel at 8M.

However, cloning Raymond, and replacing Kessel with the bellybuttonless Raymond does not improve the team.
- Feeling Glucky?

Raymond will be making far more next year, and will not be as good

Though he won't likely be a leaf either...

?

thats not what they traded kaberle for.
at the time we wanted to dump Kaberle and couldnt believe the return we got.
- senstroll

I'm sayin! The return for 2 months of Kaberle was incredible! Part of the reason we got so much for him was his absolutely steal of a cap hit at $4.25 million... that was one of the greatest signings made despite the NTC...

Well this makes just too much sense.

- iTOLDu

Seriously. I dont get how people still stick up for Ranger. Their reasoning? "He's playing bottom pairing minutes against bottom 6 competition. He gets a free pass for sucking"



Mind boggling.

How is it that Phaneuf has the hardest competition of any dman in the league?

Sorry, as an overall Dman....he's not top 10...maybe top 15....
- Fakepartofme

poop! he's not top 10, but only a top 15? Better let that bum walk... we'll be better with Ranger resigned getting more minutes.... fo sho

That is where you are wrong, We have said, if they choose to bring up, for example MacWilliams to replace Ranger, then fine but right now they have NO ONE to replace him that they think is ready.
- LeafMan

We can't even replace Ranger. But replacing Phaneuf will be easy.


FML

That is where you are wrong, We have said, if they choose to bring up, for example MacWilliams to replace Ranger, then fine but right now they have NO ONE to replace him that they think is ready.
- LeafMan

Liles, Gardiner, Rielly can EASILY replace him. EASILY.

Seriously. I dont get how people still stick up for Ranger. Their reasoning? "He's playing bottom pairing minutes against bottom 6 competition. He gets a free pass for sucking"



Mind boggling.
- jbold

Yes, that is very similar to how I read it as well.

How is it that Phaneuf has the hardest competition of any dman in the league?

Sorry, as an overall Dman....he's not top 10...maybe top 15....
- Fakepartofme

Ok...so... Maybe half the teams in the league have a #1 better than Dion by this Assessment....

And of those 15 guys, how many are available?

That is where you are wrong, We have said, if they choose to bring up, for example MacWilliams to replace Ranger, then fine but right now they have NO ONE to replace him that they think is ready.
- LeafMan

There is NO ONE to replace Dion... and without him, this team is much worse...

Jesus christ.

newsletter needs to go out in 30 minutes and nobody's read the latest draft.

There is NO ONE to replace Dion... and without him, this team is much worse...
- SofaKingBored

That is where you are wrong, We have said, if they choose to bring up, for example MacWilliams to replace Ranger, then fine but right now they have NO ONE to replace him that they think is ready.
- LeafMan

We have no one to replace Phaneuf either but people seem to want to let him go.