page 58 or there abouts
- Dozzer

Nice!

Now that's my kind of hockey.

He just gets beat way to much for me. And then a lot of times will have to take an I can't skate penalty. It's just frustrating.
- iTOLDu

He actually seems to be very good with his sticks and takes the puck away a lot.

Jesus christ. And Leaf fans wonder why good players never sign here.
- jbold

But, CLARKSON signed here!

Seriously...... Fraser is by far the worst defenseman on the team.

He NEEDS TO GO!!!!
- faceto27

Sir I'm going to have to ask you not to use that tone with me.

I know, I'm just poking the bear.

I do think that there are 6 Dmen better than both Ranger and Fraser when Phaneuf is in the lineup, yet one of them is always in. Randy doesn't seem to agree with me though
- TheThrill

actually i dont agree... rielly is brutal defensively.. gardiner barely capable.

franson has given the puck away as many times as ranger and nobody mentions this.

gunnarsson has been the worst d-man outside of fraser easily this year.

Seriously...... Fraser is by far the worst defenseman on the team.

He NEEDS TO GO!!!!
- faceto27

Him and Ranger.

Seriously...... Fraser is by far the worst defenseman on the team.

He NEEDS TO GO!!!!
- faceto27

agree 100%

time to cut him loose.. his career is basically over.

Didn't you know that Ranger > Phaneuf?
- TheThrill

I had my suspiciones.

He actually seems to be very good with his sticks and takes the puck away a lot.
- Yeti1181

Well to answer your previous question, no I don't think we're watching the same games. I agree with you that he does stay strong on the puck but umm I'm sure you saw that awesome pinch last night.

agree 100%

time to cut him loose.. his career is basically over.
- Dozzer

All from a puck to the melon you think?

actually i dont agree... rielly is brutal defensively.. gardiner barely capable.

franson has given the puck away as many times as ranger and nobody mentions this.

gunnarsson has been the worst d-man outside of fraser easily this year.
- Dozzer

I thought Gardiner paired with Rielly looked amazing last night, and disproved your theory that they would be a nightmare defensively....especially how quickly they got the puck out of the zone and used their speed, sticks and posiitoning (especially Gardiner) to break up plays. I have no issue with Ranger at all, but I don't think Gardiner or Rielly are the issue with Ranger.

But right now I prefer Ranger over Fraser and Gunnarson.

Well to answer your previous question, no I don't think we're watching the same games. I agree with you that he does stay strong on the puck but umm I'm sure you saw that awesome pinch last night.
- iTOLDu

I did I ve also seen many defenceman do it as well.

Part of me wishes we had a longer stretch to evaluate the Leafs without Dion
- senstroll

They just step up their game last night because they felt they had to compensate for the loss of Phaneuf.

Thank you. Many good goal scorers shoot five hole. But we will ignore that because it went in on Bernier and someone has to take the blame, why it's not Ranger people aren't mad at there I have no idea. Slowest guy on the ice making that pinch...bad decision.
- iTOLDu

or smith for not staying with his centre when ranger took out his winger.....

I thought Gardiner paired with Rielly looked amazing last night, and disproved your theory that they would be a nightmare defensively....especially how quickly they got the puck out of the zone and used their speed, sticks and posiitoning (especially Gardiner) to break up plays. I have no issue with Ranger at all, but I don't think Gardiner or Rielly are the issue with Ranger.

But right now I prefer Ranger over Fraser and Gunnarson.
- mykokes

Done ranger and Phaneuf pairing

He actually seems to be very good with his sticks and takes the puck away a lot.
- Yeti1181

dont bother. they got blinders on.

All from a puck to the melon you think?
- iTOLDu

its his legs/knees/ankles

I thought Gardiner paired with Rielly looked amazing last night, and disproved your theory that they would be a nightmare defensively....especially how quickly they got the puck out of the zone and used their speed, sticks and posiitoning (especially Gardiner) to break up plays. I have no issue with Ranger at all, but I don't think Gardiner or Rielly are the issue with Ranger.

But right now I prefer Ranger over Fraser and Gunnarson.
- mykokes

Yeah loved the Rielly/Gards combo. Maybe...

Phaneuf-Ranger
Franson-Gunner
Rielly-Gards

They just step up their game last night because they felt they had to compensate for the loss of Phaneuf.
- Pecafan Fan

thanks for the insight, will this be on 24/7?

I did I ve also seen many defenceman do it as well.
- Yeti1181

I support em all. To be honest I think this is all on Randy. He needs to find the combos that work. I realize he can't play the game for them but he needs to put them in positions and systems that are successful.

dont bother. they got blinders on.
- Dozzer

I never give up I just get more and more persistent then turn child hood insults. poop head

Yeah loved the Rielly/Gards combo. Maybe...

Phaneuf-Ranger
Rielly-Gards
Franson-Liles

- iTOLDu

My preference.

thanks for the insight, will this be on 24/7?
- senstroll

Point is, not having Phaneuf in the line up doesn't make the Leafs better.

its his legs/knees/ankles
- Dozzer

I do like how he can drop the gloves. What think you of going after Greener out of LA in FA? I'd like to have him, he's a mean player.

Jesus christ. And Leaf fans wonder why good players never sign here.
- jbold

Dozzers fault...