If overly desperate...yes...I expect Buffalo or the Icelanders to do so.

At $25/for five years, I'd think about that myself. $5M is about as high as I'd go, but wouldn't want to lose Cally over half a mill per (or something around that). I'd still try to talk him down a year or two.
- mames11

I think it would be tough to get him for that. This is Cally's chance for that big contract. Despite his injuries he is respected around the NHL, someone is going to give him 5 or 6 years for sure (more depending if someone is that desperate) and with the cap going up so high I think you'll see him cash in around 6 mil per year with us. I can't see the Rangers not signing Him. I think you'll see a deal for around 6 years for 34.5 - 36 mil btwn him and the Rangers before free agency. If he gets to free agency it will be more for sure, if Clowe can get what he got, I'd be afraid to see Cally's final contract.

When was the last time all of those teams missed the playoffs in the same year?? Probably about as often as rebuilds have taken place and to be fair, this current Rangers team is a rebuild, about as much as a team can rebuild w/o any high end lottery picks...
- Blueshirts4ever

You know what I find interesting? After the Rangers two best seasons after the lockout -- the Jagr team that lost to Buffalo and the semi-final team -- Slats engaged in a large scale reconstruction of the rosters. The Jagr team turned over significantly in two years with Gomez and Drury coming in, and Jagr being shown the door in the same summer that the Rangers signed Redden and Naslund. We all know what happened with the semi-final team.

I mention this because I think it is pretty clear that Slats took two teams with alot of promise, and rather than making moves to make them better, did things that turned out to set the teams back.

I am not going to sit here and say that I didn't love the Nash move, because I did, but when they lost Dubinsky and Prust in the same summer, that took alot of attitude and bite out of the team that has not been suitably replaced.

I guess hindsight is 20-20, but the GM gets paid alot of money, and is accountable for the team taking a turn for the worse.

You know what I find interesting? After the Rangers two best seasons after the lockout -- the Jagr team that lost to Buffalo and the semi-final team -- Slats engaged in a large scale reconstruction of the rosters. The Jagr team turned over significantly in two years with Gomez and Drury coming in, and Jagr being shown the door in the same summer that the Rangers signed Redden and Naslund. We all know what happened with the semi-final team.

I mention this because I think it is pretty clear that Slats took two teams with alot of promise, and rather than making moves to make them better, did things that turned out to set the teams back.

I am not going to sit here and say that I didn't love the Nash move, because I did, but when they lost Dubinsky and Prust in the same summer, that took alot of attitude and bite out of the team that has not been suitably replaced.

I guess hindsight is 20-20, but the GM gets paid alot of money, and is accountable for the team taking a turn for the worse.
- Pete V

Sather has made some nice trades but that's really all the faith I have in him and that shrinks by the day. I read in the paper a few weeks ago that idiot Dolan saying Sather has a job as long as he wants it. I don't get it, the guy has been here a long long time, 1 appearance to the Conference Finals. Reading that pissed me off so much. All I know is if I wasted the company's money for over a decade with no results I wouldn't have made it a decade at my company. I'd love to see Gorton take over already.

I wish I could have made friends with James Dolan at some point, talk about loyal to his people to a fault. (Isaiah Thomas, Steve Mills, Glen Sather)

Sather has made some nice trades but that's really all the faith I have in him and that shrinks by the day. I read in the paper a few weeks ago that idiot Dolan saying Sather has a job as long as he wants it. I don't get it, the guy has been here a long long time, 1 appearance to the Conference Finals. Reading that pissed me off so much. All I know is if I wasted the company's money for over a decade with no results I wouldn't have made it a decade at my company. I'd love to see Gorton take over already.

I wish I could have made friends with James Dolan at some point, talk about loyal to his people to a fault. (Isaiah Thomas, Steve Mills, Glen Sather)

- pcjr307

In Dolan's interview a couple of weeks ago in the Post, I got the impression he didn't want Torts gone at all

You know what I find interesting? After the Rangers two best seasons after the lockout -- the Jagr team that lost to Buffalo and the semi-final team -- Slats engaged in a large scale reconstruction of the rosters. The Jagr team turned over significantly in two years with Gomez and Drury coming in, and Jagr being shown the door in the same summer that the Rangers signed Redden and Naslund. We all know what happened with the semi-final team.

I mention this because I think it is pretty clear that Slats took two teams with alot of promise, and rather than making moves to make them better, did things that turned out to set the teams back.

I am not going to sit here and say that I didn't love the Nash move, because I did, but when they lost Dubinsky and Prust in the same summer, that took alot of attitude and bite out of the team that has not been suitably replaced.

I guess hindsight is 20-20, but the GM gets paid alot of money, and is accountable for the team taking a turn for the worse.
- Pete V

and this is the only franchise in North America that rewards him for mediocrity...

In Dolan's interview a couple of weeks ago in the Post, I got the impression he didn't want Torts gone at all
- jimbro83

The consensus was after his firing that the players wanted Torts out, I am not so sure about that anymore, he had a great relationship with Callahan, if the players wanted Torts to back off I think that could've been communicated much like it was to Coughlin before 2007...

In Dolan's interview a couple of weeks ago in the Post, I got the impression he didn't want Torts gone at all
- jimbro83

I don't live in the area anymore, so I don't have the same dislike of Dolan that most on the board do. To me, the main thing I want out of a hockey owner is someone that is willing to spend the money to give the team the best possible chance of winning, and on that end, I really don't have a problem with Dolan. Of course, you also want someone that is willing and able to bring in the best people to manage the team, and maybe that is where he falls short. Sather has been a mixed bag over the years. I think he has done some good things, but also has managed to bollix things up alot as well. Dolan is definetely loyal, and that is usually a very good character trait, except when things are going real bad and prevents you from pulling the trigger on change.

I don't know, at the end of the day, the team is in trouble, but I also think there are many guys on this team that simply aren't playing up their potential. Why that is, I have no idea.

In Dolan's interview a couple of weeks ago in the Post, I got the impression he didn't want Torts gone at all
- jimbro83

Yea, me too. He talked about how he misses him and they had a great relationship. Torts used to tell him that his cable service is so crappy and he would tell Torts how come my team can't get the puck out of their own zone

The consensus was after his firing that the players wanted Torts out, I am not so sure about that anymore, he had a great relationship with Callahan, if the players wanted Torts to back off I think that could've been communicated much like it was to Coughlin before 2007...
- Blueshirts4ever

You guys knew where I stood on Torts. I think he is a great coach, but I also thought he came with an expiration date, and the team just wasn't responding to him anymore. I also have to be candid and say that I didn't like the style of play, because I do put some emphasis in the entertainment value of a hockey team, and the style just drove me nuts. I also thought the team was too damn tight, and justed need to get drunk and ....

But, this year, they don't appear to have any attitude, heart, or pushback, which I think is worse than playing boring hockey.

Yes but what has AV done with the same talent...
- Blueshirts4ever

AV is trying to push his pressure offense system on a group that doesn't seem to be able to handle it and it seems as if he doesn't know how to coach them into it; he just calls them not good enough.

What happened to the D jumping in the plays? I rarely see that anymore.

My point was that Torts wanted something similiar when he first got here. He realized it wasn't going to work so he adjusted to something that did. Sather then changed some of the team's makeup and that messed up chemistry in a bad, bad way to where it got Torts canned. Losing guys like Prust, Feds, Artem and Dubi changed the team in more ways than many think it did.

I don't live in the area anymore, so I don't have the same dislike of Dolan that most on the board do. To me, the main thing I want out of a hockey owner is someone that is willing to spend the money to give the team the best possible chance of winning, and on that end, I really don't have a problem with Dolan. Of course, you also want someone that is willing and able to bring in the best people to manage the team, and maybe that is where he falls short. Sather has been a mixed bag over the years. I think he has done some good things, but also has managed to bollix things up alot as well. Dolan is definetely loyal, and that is usually a very good character trait, except when things are going real bad and prevents you from pulling the trigger on change.

I don't know, at the end of the day, the team is in trouble, but I also think there are many guys on this team that simply aren't playing up their potential. Why that is, I have no idea.
- Pete V

His willingness to spend money is not the issue. He cozies up to his GM's and very rarely holds anyone accountable, he still loves Isiah Thomas...

AV is trying to push his pressure offense system on a group that doesn't seem to be able to handle it and it seems as if he doesn't know how to coach them into it; he just calls them not good enough.

What happened to the D jumping in the plays? I rarely see that anymore.

My point was that Torts wanted something similiar when he first got here. He realized it wasn't going to work so he adjusted to something that did. Sather then changed some of the team's makeup and that messed up chemistry in a bad, bad way to where it got Torts canned. Losing guys like Prust, Feds, Artem and Dubi changed the team in more ways than many think it did.
- mames11

It comes down to Sather overrating his own talent and the coaches who are on the ice don't see what he sees, thats two highly successful coaches who had designs on very offensive styles having to scale it back. Give be boring but winning hockey over open but losing hockey...

Yea, me too. He talked about how he misses him and they had a great relationship. Torts used to tell him that his cable service is so crappy and he would tell Torts how come my team can't get the puck out of their own zone
- pcjr307

Dolan liked Torts. Who wouldn't? Guy's a ball-buster and took his job seriously. My only gripe was how he treated Sam Rosen after a game a few years back. Other than that, the guy was great for NY. People didn't like how he spoke to the media? Why? He just said what all of us would have said first.



Again, if only the Rangers had a Powerplay when he was here, then he'd still be here; no doubt.

The team doesn't have the horses right now but one thing I don't get it why the D hasn't been as productive offensively. John Moore, Michael Del Zotto, Mac, are all capable of leading a rush or jumping up into the play. To a lesser extent Stralman and Staal. In the beginning I think we saw more of it and I thought it was a positive, now to me it seems they are getting involved less and less which is not helping things either.

It comes down to Sather overrating his own talent and the coaches who are on the ice don't see what he sees, thats two highly successful coaches who had designs on very offensive styles having to scale it back. Give be boring but winning hockey over open but losing hockey...
- Blueshirts4ever

This is why I believe Gorton should take over. Sather has lost touch with what players are actually good. **COUGH COUGH Hugh Jessiman COUGH SNEEZE SH!T-MY-PANTS**

Didn't sather semi-blow up the roster in the 03-04 season? If i remember correctly, they got jagr in january of that season, got their doors blown off in his first game against ottowa, and then traded off barnaby and kovalev and nedved? why can't something like that happen again? the only thing i can think of is dolan and sather both knew a lockout was coming and the next season was probably going to be canceled anyway. but with the renovations to the new garden, there is no chance of that happening this time around.

Dolan liked Torts. Who wouldn't? Guy's a ball-buster and took his job seriously. My only gripe was how he treated Sam Rosen after a game a few years back. Other than that, the guy was great for NY. People didn't like how he spoke to the media? Why? He just said what all of us would have said first.



Again, if only the Rangers had a Powerplay when he was here, then he'd still be here; no doubt.
- mames11

They could have brought a third coach to try and fix the power play, but as we know that ship has sailed, the question is can AV in the middle of the season get these guys to go back and playing that tight checking, grinding, shot blocking zonal type of style? It might involve collapsing and all the things people screamed about but it did work for these guys in the past....we will see

Didn't sather semi-blow up the roster in the 03-04 season? If i remember correctly, they got jagr in january of that season, got their doors blown off in his first game against ottowa, and then traded off barnaby and kovalev and nedved? why can't something like that happen again? the only thing i can think of is dolan and sather both knew a lockout was coming and the next season was probably going to be canceled anyway. but with the renovations to the new garden, there is no chance of that happening this time around.
- Why So Serious

\...and Leetch

They could have brought a third coach to try and fix the power play, but as we know that ship has sailed, the question is can AV in the middle of the season get these guys to go back and playing that tight checking, grinding, shot blocking zonal type of style? It might involve collapsing and all the things people screamed about but it did work for these guys in the past....we will see
- Blueshirts4ever

I was one that screamed about the forwards collapsing in the D-zone. When your PP sucks ballz and you can't score with the man advantage, there is just no other way to score; especially when your forwards are collapsing and diving in front of shots. If the PP gave them a goal or two every so often, then the collapsing D coverage wouldn't have been so bad because it would have been protecting leads; which they rarely had.

I was one that screamed about the forwards collapsing in the D-zone. When your PP sucks ballz and you can't score with the man advantage, there is just no other way to score; especially when your forwards are collapsing and diving in front of shots. If the PP gave them a goal or two every so often, then the collapsing D coverage wouldn't have been so bad because it would have been protecting leads; which they rarely had.
- mames11

I didn't mind it as much as others but the Rangers the year before was a great forechecking team as well, when they did get the puck in deep they grinded teams down to nothing and wore them down by the end of the 3rd period...

If overly desperate...yes...I expect Buffalo or the Icelanders to do so.

At $25/for five years, I'd think about that myself. $5M is about as high as I'd go, but wouldn't want to lose Cally over half a mill per (or something around that). I'd still try to talk him down a year or two.
- mames11

Why would the Isles want or need Cally? NJ may go after him.

Disagree, I think this team just sucks and can't adapt to a new style of play. Tortorella knew what he had and adjusted the style of play that would best suit the team.

This is not Vigneault's fault.
- MidnightMarauder

Said the same thing numerous times on here. Not trying to stir the pot, don't attack. Look at it this way at least you're not an Islander fan.

The rangers need Richard Park... he is our savior!

Said the same thing numerous times on here. Not trying to stir the pot, don't attack. Look at it this way at least you're not an Islander fan.
- Cptmjl

I was one of the few not over the moon about that 2011-2012 team, despite the success.

The team just hasn't had a whole lot of talent on the roster; especially after the 2007-2008 season.

Tortorella maximized what he had here because he knew what he had here wasn't a lot.