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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:18 PM ET
That's not bad. Maybe his recent play has dissuaded me. I think what bothers me is his lack of identity as a player.
- PhillySportsGuy



I expect some conglomeration of David Backes, Mikko Koivu and Ryan Kesler... his development is right on track if you put it up against those guys' histories.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Dec 10 @ 1:18 PM ET
How about this kind of cookie?

http://savorysweetlife.co...olate-chip-cookie-recipe/

I don't claim to be the ultimate Chocolate Chip cookie taster, but I do miss Mom's cookies on snowy days like this one.

Ahhh, memories...

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:18 PM ET
Schenn and Couturier's total ice-time per game has been equal since they've come into the league... any difference in linemates and special teams roles are accounted for in Schenn's superior (and might I note, steady) .5 points/game average.

Before they broke out, Richie and Carts were getting a lot more minutes than Coots/Schenn, and neither of them were as productive as Schenn despite more favorable situations.

- Tomahawk


I'm not saying trade Braydon Schenn.

I think he should be contributing more consistently after 100 NHL games, given his pedigree and draft position.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:19 PM ET
I expect some conglomeration of David Backes, Mikko Koivu and Ryan Kesler... his development is right on track if you put it up against those guys' histories.
- Tomahawk


You want him to be the next Damikan Baculer?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:19 PM ET
How about this kind of cookie?

http://savorysweetlife.co...olate-chip-cookie-recipe/

I don't claim to be the ultimate Chocolate Chip cookie taster, but I do miss Mom's cookies on snowy days like this one.

Ahhh, memories...


- OrangeAndBlack1


That cookie only hangs points and doesn't have a very high CORSI....
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
You want him to be the next Damikan Baculer?
- jmatchett383


That name is kind of badass.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
One for each of you.


- Scoob

OM-NOM-NOM-NOM!

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
I'm not saying trade Braydon Schenn.

I think he should be contributing more consistently after 100 NHL games, given him pedigree and draft position.

- johndewar


Again, he has scored at a faster rate than either of the Sedins. Some top draft picks don't break out till they're in their mid 20s.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:21 PM ET
He stinks, trade him.
- jmatchett383



give me jones, forsberg a 1st and a 2nd and sure
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 10 @ 1:21 PM ET
Damn I've been singing Coots praises here for 2 years and I get nothing!

- BiggE

I said "to name a few." I've never met you IRL compared to the others. Not my fault Scoob only made enough dough for a quarter dozen.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:21 PM ET
give me jones, forsberg a 1st and a 2nd and sure
- PhillaBully


You know what...I'd really, really consider it.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:21 PM ET
I agree. Far and away our best defenseman right now. That said, if he was part of a trade for a TRUE #1 defenseman (Pronger-esque), I'd do it.
- jmatchett383


I'd prefer to lose Streit, Mesz and Kimmo (knowing he's probably done after this season) and retain Coburn, Schenn and Grossmann for the next several seasons. Those 3 players combined are earning $11.6mm for the next 3 seasons, then they all become UFAs (based on CapGeek info).

That's a solid defensive core as far as I'm concerned, with good size, hitting and shot-blocking abilities, and Coburn's speed. Bring in 3 more to compliment what we have from trades or the farm system, and I'm very optimistic.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:22 PM ET
You want him to be the next Damikan Baculer?
- jmatchett383



I was thinking more Rykkvid Kesivkes.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:23 PM ET
I'd prefer to lose Streit, Mesz and Kimmo (knowing he's probably done after this season) and retain Coburn, Schenn and Grossmann for the next several seasons. Those 3 players combined are earning $11.6mm combined for the next 3 seasons, then they all become UFAs (based on CapGeek info).

That's a solid defensive core as far as I'm concerned, with good size, hitting and shot-blocking abilities, and Coburn's speed. Bring in 3 more to compliment what we have from trades or the farm system, and I'm very optimistic.

- wolfhounds


Oh, I agree that I don't want him gone. But you're not losing Streit (you just aren't), and if you're out, Kimmo and Grossmann will get you the best return. I like Grossmann, don't get me wrong. But if someone offers you a 1st rounder for him, hard to say no.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:24 PM ET
I was thinking more Rykkvid Kesivkes.
- Tomahawk


You know damn well that players like Rykkvid Kesivkes are few and far between.

God damn that is some tough-ass Norweigan-sounding name.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Dec 10 @ 1:25 PM ET
Yeah, but the cookie would make me happy. This teams play doesn't....

I just want the players to live up to their potential, and put forth the best effort that they can. I see correctable stuff on the ice, but no corrections. Are the players really interested in playing or are they just enjoying the pay, and off season vacation time? Or maybe this is just the next generation of players? Who would have thought that a Russian player would actually want to go back to Russia, and play in the KHL a few years ago? Just something to consider.

Keep the cookies, and milk coming. My wife has to work today, so I am being bad...
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
That name is kind of badass.
- johndewar

*yoinks it for D&D game*
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
You know what...I'd really, really consider it.
- jmatchett383



i love giroux, but you can get some top rate talent and jones by all accounts is no joke.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
Again, he has scored at a faster rate than either of the Sedins. Some top draft picks don't break out till they're in their mid 20s.
- Feanor

Truth. I remember when the Sedins "stunk."
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:27 PM ET
Oh, I agree that I don't want him gone. But you're not losing Streit (you just aren't), and if you're out, Kimmo and Grossmann will get you the best return. I like Grossmann, don't get me wrong. But if someone offers you a 1st rounder for him, hard to say no.
- jmatchett383


Absolutely. I get rid of Grossmann long before I trade either Coburn or Schenn. And I'm hopeful some team next year with plenty of cap space - maybe even an issue getting to the floor - is willing to take Streit off our hands.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 10 @ 1:27 PM ET
I was thinking more Rykkvid Kesivkes.
- Tomahawk

*yoinks for next Star Frontiers or Star Wars d6 game*
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:29 PM ET
God damn that is some tough-ass Norweigan-sounding name.
- jmatchett383



johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:33 PM ET
Braydon Schenn averages 15 minutes of ice time per game now, as he did in the lockout year.

The Sedins didn't see that kind of ice time until their 4th full year, when they both broke out.

Henrik and Daniel weren't even seeing the ice for 13 minutes a game in their second year.

Braydon Schenn gets 15 minutes of ice time after 100+ NHL games.

The Sedin comparision doesn't wash with me, sorry.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 1:34 PM ET
And I'm hopeful some team next year with plenty of cap space - maybe even an issue getting to the floor - is willing to take Streit off our hands.
- wolfhounds



My secret dream is that both Hartnell and Streit both get plucked away in an expansion draft.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 1:34 PM ET
Braydon Schenn averages 15 minutes of ice time per game now, as he did in the lockout year.

The Sedins didn't see that kind of ice time until their 4th full year, when they both broke out.

Henrik and Daniel weren't even seeing the ice for 13 minutes a game in their second year.

Braydon Schenn gets 15 minutes of ice time after 100+ NHL games.

The Sedin comparision doesn't wash with me, sorry.

- johndewar


So he should be producing at 1.25x their individual production averages, all things being equal?
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