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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:42 AM ET
This years Goaty Jones Award is hotly contested. My order is as follows

1. Mark Streit
2. Jay Rosehill
3. Zac Rinaldo
4. Luke Schenn
5. Matt Carle
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:43 AM ET
This years Goaty Jones Award is hotly contested. My order is as follows

1. Mark Streit
2. Jay Rosehill
3. Zac Rinaldo
4. Luke Schenn
5. Matt Carle

- PhillySportsGuy


Whoever has Carter's old stall (Voracek? Simmonds?)
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:44 AM ET
you people are more fun than a barrel of monkeys!
- -davies-

Wait till after Wed night for the full barrel effect
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:44 AM ET
This years Goaty Jones Award is hotly contested. My order is as follows

1. Mark Streit
2. Jay Rosehill
3. Zac Rinaldo
4. Luke Schenn
5. Matt Carle

- PhillySportsGuy


don't forget Lavy, Berube, Voracek, Homer and the ghost of bad trades past!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:45 AM ET
Wait till after Wed night for the full barrel effect
- Marc D


The Blackhawks are going to skate circles around the Flyers. Literally, they will skate circles without being touched.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:45 AM ET
Wait till after Wed night for the full barrel effect
- Marc D


So, if (IF) they beat Chicago with Emery in net...goalie controversy?
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:45 AM ET
His 35+ and cap hit are as good, if not better, than an ironclad NMC.
- Tomahawk



The Homer special, golden parachutes for people who are high risk high dollar signings who are not exempt under the CBA from cap hit retirement.
At least Vinnie L was under 35 . I wish Vinnie was healthy and Streit was LTIR- permanently. Arrrghhh
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 11:46 AM ET
Was Bryz ever a star player? I thought he was unproven as one and we just paid him like one.
- JAKEw1234


Bryz was a perennial Vezina candidate down in Phoenix.


Danny B was great for us for many years, I dont see how you can use that in your argument.
- JAKEw1234


Danny B was good in the PO's for a number of years... but people forget he was signed to be the 95-point player that he was in Buffalo... he never came anywhere close to that in O&B.


Streit isn't a star player, either. At least not on the level of Phaneuf or Weber.
- JAKEw1234


Whether he is or not, he's getting paid like one.


Vinny's probably been our best forward, sure he's a little injury prone, I'll give you that.
- JAKEw1234


Out of all of Homer's additions, Downie has been hands-down the best.


The chances of Weber or Phaneuf suffering a freak career ending injury like Pronger are so impossibly slim that I'm also gonna negate that argument, also considering we got Pronger in his mid 30s and neither of those guys have even hit 30 yet.
- JAKEw1234


Freak injuries can happen to anybody... they just seem to happen to Flyers stars with regularity. Forsberg, Lindros, Primeau, Rathje, Pronger, Gagne, Emery (his first go-around)... that's why you don't want to get caught putting all your eggs in one basket.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:46 AM ET
This years Goaty Jones Award is hotly contested. My order is as follows

1. Mark Streit
2. Jay Rosehill
3. Zac Rinaldo
4. Luke Schenn
5. Matt Carle

- PhillySportsGuy


Left out Fraud
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:47 AM ET
Left out Fraud
- Marc D


LeFraud James?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:47 AM ET
don't forget Lavy, Berube, Voracek, Homer and the ghost of bad trades past!
- BiggE


Lavi - 3 games is too small sample size
Berube - Most would agree he's done a decent job righting the ship
Voracek - criticized, but not as much as the others
Homer - We can always blame him
Ghosts of bad trades - Luke Schenn is 4 on the list.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 10 @ 11:47 AM ET
LeFraud James?
- jmatchett383



Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
Getting the biggest name available seems like the only thing that matters to Homer as long as he has enough cap-space available.
- Tomahawk


Actually maybe its the only thing that matters to Snider to get names and press releases so he can sell tickets with the hoopla of the signings. Remember the summer press conference with VL, RE and MS ? He should have stopped with the better 2 of those 3
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
Lavi - 3 games is too small sample size
Berube - Most would agree he's done a decent job righting the ship
Voracek - criticized, but not as much as the others
Homer - We can always blame him
Ghosts of bad trades - Luke Schenn is 4 on the list.

- PhillySportsGuy


I say it's Grabovski's stick.
And Nashville's owners.
And Minnesota's owners.
And Jack Skellington.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
So, if (IF) they beat Chicago with Emery in net...goalie controversy?
- jmatchett383

Waiter I'll have whatever he's having
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:49 AM ET
Waiter I'll have whatever he's having
- Marc D


I'm living in a theoretical world of fairies, elves, and a Cup-contending Flyers team. We're raiding a Dwarvish stronghold as "The Bell Center" later on this afternoon.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:51 AM ET
Bryz was a perennial Vezina candidate down in Phoenix.


Freak injuries can happen to anybody... they just seem to happen to Flyers stars with regularity. Forsberg, Lindros, Primeau, Rathje, Pronger, Gagne, Emery (his first go-around)... that's why you don't want to get caught putting all your eggs in one basket.

- Tomahawk


Not so much freakish.
Forsberg was a congenital foot defect, Lindros had his head down, Primeau was concussion too, Prongers was freak, Gagne sought out everything but a fait healer for his problems and Emery was freak.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 11:53 AM ET
Actually maybe its the only thing that matters to Snider to get names and press releases so he can sell tickets with the hoopla of the signings. Remember the summer press conference with VL, RE and MS ? He should have stopped with the better 2 of those 3
- Steelmanpa


The NHL is still a gate driven league, no?
Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Dec 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
Streit was absolutely horrid last night. I can't think of one good play he made, besides when he went off on a change.

I was a bit of an optimist about Streit even with his play so far this season, but after seeing firsthand how brutal he is, his deal really stings. He was alright in the first game up here, but the whole team looked like globetrotters in that 5-0 win. The bad pinches creating 2-1s, the poor clearing attempts,, the turnovers, skating like he was in molasses.... brutal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
Not so much freakish.
Forsberg was a congenital foot defect, Lindros had his head down, Primeau was concussion too, Prongers was freak, Gagne sought out everything but a fait healer for his problems and Emery was freak.

- Steelmanpa


I think the main point is that their careers ended very prematurely. Could you imagine if Crosby and Malkin only had a few good years left?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Dec 10 @ 11:55 AM ET
Getting the biggest name available seems like the only thing that matters to Homer as long as he has enough cap-space available.
- Tomahawk


Wasteful spending...
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Dec 10 @ 11:56 AM ET
Bryz was a perennial Vezina candidate down in Phoenix.




Danny B was good in the PO's for a number of years... but people forget he was signed to be the 95-point player that he was in Buffalo... he never came anywhere close to that in O&B.




Whether he is or not, he's getting paid like one.




Out of all of Homer's additions, Downie has been hands-down the best.




Freak injuries can happen to anybody... they just seem to happen to Flyers stars with regularity. Forsberg, Lindros, Primeau, Rathje, Pronger, Gagne, Emery (his first go-around)... that's why you don't want to get caught putting all your eggs in one basket.

- Tomahawk


-Bryz was nominated for 1 vezina.
-I don't think they expected Briere to be a perennial 95 point scorer when hey signed him.
-Downie's been great, you're right.
-You're right about that. I just don't think a lot of injuries to our star players is a good reason to just stop getting star players. That seems defeatist, to me.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 10 @ 11:56 AM ET
I think the main point is that their careers ended very prematurely. Could you imagine if Crosby and Malkin only had a few good years left?
- PhillySportsGuy


No problem. The NHL would be along shortly to gift Pittsburgh with another highly skilled hockey player.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 11:57 AM ET
Streit was absolutely horrid last night. I can't think of one good play he made, besides when he went off on a change.

I was a bit of an optimist about Streit even with his play so far this season, but after seeing firsthand how brutal he is, his deal really stings. He was alright in the first game up here, but the whole team looked like globetrotters in that 5-0 win. The bad pinches creating 2-1s, the poor clearing attempts,, the turnovers, skating like he was in molasses.... brutal.

- Rocktane


The thing that bothers me most is that he makes bad decisions. He's a veteran player and should be able to anticipate things better or be in better position.

Kimmo may have lost a lot, but he is still a smart player who positions himself well.

What's going to happen to Streit when he really starts losing his physical abilities. He will be a $5M 7th defenseman.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 10 @ 11:59 AM ET
This years Goaty Jones Award is hotly contested. My order is as follows

1. Mark Streit
2. Jay Rosehill
3. Zac Rinaldo
4. Luke Schenn
5. Matt Carle

- PhillySportsGuy


All scapegoats. Yoemans work all year long from these guys.
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