YES!!!
Couldnt have said it better myself.

Although I might have said in a fake french accent.
- Fakepartofme

HONH HONH

does not belong in the NHL

NHL offense / WHL defense
- Dozzer

to me, the biggest problem for Rielly is having nobody of high quality playing with him to ease him in.

for example: Bruins - Chara would play a lot with Hamilton when he first started playing, not sure how it works not, but i do remember that.

they damn well better be.

il take nashville's #1 d man











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- big_dion

they're in deep poop right now.
how Trotz still has a job is a testament to how little people care about hockey there. i cannot imagine any other team in any other market in any other sport where a guy can have one playoff series win in 15 years and still have a job.

When you play 25 minutes, you're bound to get tired going up against top players every game.

Not too many players can play those minutes against that competition with someone like gunnar as their partner and not get gassed.
- jbold

Exactly!
And no sense paying Phaneuf like a player who can handle 23+ minutes.
He simply cant.
Which is why is not and shouldnt be our number 1 dman.

I also worry about complacency if a new deal is signed, I see it from him, mark my words.
- LeafMan

yeah.. its time to walk away from phaneuf.. if he is willing to sign for 2 maybe 3 years then okay.. but that wont be the case.

does not belong in the NHL

NHL offense / WHL defense
- Dozzer

Not being sheltered with a solid vet partner but with the system the Leafs are using, it is not conducive for young defenceman starting out.

how many mins is he getting?
- DoubleDown

when he plays? oh i dont know.. 16 ish?

problem is he doesnt get to play every game either

Exactly!
And no sense paying Phaneuf like a player who can handle 23+ minutes.
He simply cant.
Which is why is not and shouldnt be our number 1 dman.
- Fakepartofme

Which is why you need a top pairing partner to play with him like every other number 1 Dman in the league has..

James Mìrtle @mirtle
The weakest current playoff team in the East is on pace for 82 points. In the West? It's Vancouver with 102.

Not being sheltered with a solid vet partner but with the system the Leafs are using, it is not conducive for young defenceman starting out.
- LeafMan

yeah.. huge.. but also a factor that should be considered

liles would be the perfect partner for him honestly

Which is why you need a top pairing partner to play with him like every other number 1 Dman in the league has..
- jbold

True.
But even than he's not number a 1 dman.
He's a number 2.

James Mìrtle @mirtle
The weakest current playoff team in the East is on pace for 82 points. In the West? It's Vancouver with 102.
- Fruitcakenipple

And people were making fun of vancouver at the beginning of the season.

tsk, tsk.

True.
But even than he's not number a 1 dman.
He's a number 2.
- Fakepartofme

If thats the case, than San Jose doesnt have a number 1dman.

And theyre doing just fine.

Neither does NYR, Anahiem, Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Detroit, New jersey, Pheonix, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Vancouver, or Washington.

yeah.. its time to walk away from phaneuf.. if he is willing to sign for 2 maybe 3 years then okay.. but that wont be the case.
- Dozzer

Look at Phaneuf numbers vs Shea numbers they were pretty comparable this year.

If thats the case, than San Jose doesnt have a number 1dman.

And theyre doing just fine.

Neither does NYR, Anahiem, Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Detroit, New jersey, Pheonix, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Vancouver, or Washington.
- jbold

they might put 2 of their top-6 on the Olympic team.

Look at Phaneuf numbers vs Shea numbers they were pretty comparable this year.
- Yeti1181

Shea no longer has Suter backing him up

they might put 2 of their top-6 on the Olympic team.
- DoubleDown

I didnt say they dont have top Dmen. I said by his logic, they dont.

Look at Phaneuf numbers vs Shea numbers they were pretty comparable this year.
- Yeti1181

with one major difference... weber can effectively shut a guy down and clear the zone

phaneuf not so much

dont get me wrong.. phaneuf is a 5 million dollar secondary guy easily.. but a top d-man in the league? nope.. i wouldnt even put him top 10

Shea no longer has Suter backing him up
- jbold

Exactly and he has a better d man in josi than Phaneuf has in gunnar

If thats the case, than San Jose doesnt have a number 1dman.

And theyre doing just fine.

Neither does NYR, Anahiem, Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Detroit, New jersey, Pheonix, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Vancouver, or Washington.
- jbold

For me it is not a question if he is a number one D, I just don't like the way he plays, I don't like the effort and for 7 mil plus D, that is not good enough for me.

with one major difference... weber can effectively shut a guy down and clear the zone

phaneuf not so much

dont get me wrong.. phaneuf is a 5 million dollar secondary guy easily.. but a top d-man in the league? nope.. i wouldnt even put him top 10
- Dozzer

So why isn't he doing it now then or last year for that matter. He's has dropped since he lost his all star partner. On a better defensive team I might add.

yeah.. huge.. but also a factor that should be considered

liles would be the perfect partner for him honestly
- Dozzer

I'm late for HB Breakfast but did back read a bit...after your efforts Dozz, I'm surprised no one congratulated Morrow on his 4rd goal of the season - perhaps when he scores his 5st...

For me it is not a question if he is a number one D, I just don't like the way he plays, I don't like the effort and for 7 mil plus D, that is not good enough for me.
- LeafMan

Put him with a guy that can actually play top pairing d and he's not getting exhausted every night. Honestly I don't know what you expect one person to do with his supporting cast.

Shea no longer has Suter backing him up
- jbold

Nope, he has Seth Jones, @ -12.. OMG, Weber is -7

Nope, he has Seth Jones, @ -12.. OMG, Weber is -7
- bixll

team is bad tho