Been giving it a of thought, although Phaneuf is their best D now, I don't think I want to see him for the next 5 or more years, too lazy, lackadaisical in his own end, never hustles for the puck, not leader material, asking price is not worth what we get from him night in and night out.

Many would disagree with me and that is fine but what I have seen lately, I don't like the effort he gives and for 7mil (probably asking), that is not good enough.
- LeafMan

i'm with ya LM.. you dont keep a guy just because he is your best d-man.

being the best d-man on a terrible d doesnt mean a whole lot.

Been giving it a of thought, although Phaneuf is their best D now, I don't think I want to see him for the next 5 or more years, too lazy, lackadaisical in his own end, never hustles for the puck, not leader material, asking price is not worth what we get from him night in and night out.

Many would disagree with me and that is fine but what I have seen lately, I don't like the effort he gives and for 7mil (probably asking), that is not good enough.
- LeafMan

Disagree. But im not in the mood to argue about it.

- big_dion

just bein stupid silly...I actually like the habs...until they play the leafs

ottawa and vancouver can kiss my ass though

Leafs need to build around Phaneuf and Fraser. those are the only 2 good Dman who can play.

No one can log the minutes/go up against the competition like Dion does. No one in the Leafs system, no one in free agency
- jbold

The sad thing is, he isn't even that great at it.
If he logs too many minutes, he becomes even worse.
The Leafs are screwed if they pay him 7+ per year and screwed if they let him go.

Unless Nonis can swing a trade involving Phaneuf for a number 1 or two shut down Dman, which would be great. But not likely.

Yep, everyone loves him for his shot. I actually have a pretty nice snap shot, I wonder if the Leafs would sign me for league minimum But yeah Doz, you were right all along, I remember you were one of the only ones saying this for a while last year.
- iTOLDu

he is what he is.. and he's good at it.. but he is too weak defensively to pay out big bucks for him..

not worth it, not with the offensive guys who are younger in the pipeline

1 elbow
1 punch

id either give him 25 games or the season, mind you, boston will be a better team without him...that would be like us losing Orr for the season, whoopydi(frank)indo!
- big_dion

I doubt he gets more than 12 games and would be surprised if he got that many.

and no....I'm not justifiing it.

Been giving it a of thought, although Phaneuf is their best D now, I don't think I want to see him for the next 5 or more years, too lazy, lackadaisical in his own end, never hustles for the puck, not leader material, asking price is not worth what we get from him night in and night out.

Many would disagree with me and that is fine but what I have seen lately, I don't like the effort he gives and for 7mil (probably asking), that is not good enough.
- LeafMan

truth be told, if we could get a D man that was a legit top 2 D man, and not have to pay him dion money, id be all for it.

dion is good, better than good, but he does make dumb decisions.

The sad thing is, he isn't even that great at it.
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- Fakepartofme

Ok. Except he is..Goes up and shuts down guys like Crosby on a nightly basis. On the ice for something like 9 GA's, at ES

i'm with ya LM.. you dont keep a guy just because he is your best d-man.

being the best d-man on a terrible d doesnt mean a whole lot.
- Dozzer

Though I agree with both of you, and Ive never been a big Phaneuf supporter, if at all....but hes going to be resigned. Might as well get used to the idea...hes gonna be back.

i'm with ya LM.. you dont keep a guy just because he is your best d-man.

being the best d-man on a terrible d doesnt mean a whole lot.
- Dozzer

Watching Lucic blow by him and not a desperate attempt to get back was the last straw for me, seen that too many times, you have to be hard on the puck, go back and get it when you are being rushed, I don't want to see that for the next 5 or more years.

Have a bad feeling if he signs a big deal, he will be very complacent.

Sorry. Meant Franson
- jbold

Franson has the next 4 months to show last season wasn't a complete fluke. He's a 1-trick (pp assist) pony right now. I hope he can. Factor in quality of competition and Phaneuf is irreplaceable.

5 on 5 goals against for Dmen

Fraser 8 (only 15 gp)
Phaneuf 14
Gunnarson 14
Gardiner 15
Ranger 17
Franson 22
Rielly 24 (only 22 gp)

Though I agree with both of you, and Ive never been a big Phaneuf supporter, if at all....but hes going to be resigned. Might as well get used to the idea...hes gonna be back.
- Colin Dambrauskas

with the way this D is playing I wouldnt be so sure.

Nonis and Carlyle might see this as a prime opportunity to rebuild the leafs D.. dont think for two seconds they arent talking about it.

I doubt he gets more than 12 games and would be surprised if he got that many.

and no....I'm not justifiing it.
- yemrots

thats cool - everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

to me, thats the exact play they need to get rid of, he could have actually really hurt the guy, it was bertuzzi 2.0.

he had intent to injure and it wasnt even during game time, it was after a whistle and nothing justifies doing that to someone, if Thronton wants to do that, he can go to the UFC and those guys will put him in the hopsital after 1 minute.

Franson has the next 4 months to show last season wasn't a complete fluke. He's a 1-trick (pp assist) pony right now. I hope he can. Factor in quality of competition and Phaneuf is irreplaceable.

5 on 5 goals against for Dmen

Fraser 8 (only 15 gp)
Phaneuf 14
Gunnarson 14
Gardiner 15
Ranger 17
Franson 22
Rielly 24 (only 22 gp)
- The Law

yeesh

Been giving it a of thought, although Phaneuf is their best D now, I don't think I want to see him for the next 5 or more years, too lazy, lackadaisical in his own end, never hustles for the puck, not leader material, asking price is not worth what we get from him night in and night out.

Many would disagree with me and that is fine but what I have seen lately, I don't like the effort he gives and for 7mil (probably asking), that is not good enough.
- LeafMan

I completely agree and have been saying the same thing!

Watching Lucic blow by him and not a desperate attempt to get back was the last straw for me, seen that too many times, you have to be hard on the puck, go back and get it when you are being rushed, I don't want to see that for the next 5 or more years.
- LeafMan

yeah i know what you mean.. he plays like he's entitled.

not seven million dollar material

with the way this D is playing I wouldnt be so sure.

Nonis and Carlyle might see this as a prime opportunity to rebuild the leafs D.. dont think for two seconds they arent talking about it.
- Dozzer

i think Kadri will end up being dealt at some point for help on the blueline in TO.

i'm with ya LM.. you dont keep a guy just because he is your best d-man.

being the best d-man on a terrible d doesnt mean a whole lot.
- Dozzer

YES!!!
Couldnt have said it better myself.

Although I might have said in a fake french accent.

Franson has the next 4 months to show last season wasn't a complete fluke. He's a 1-trick (pp assist) pony right now. I hope he can. Factor in quality of competition and Phaneuf is irreplaceable.

5 on 5 goals against for Dmen

Fraser 8 (only 15 gp)
Phaneuf 14
Gunnarson 14
Gardiner 15
Ranger 17
Franson 22
Rielly 24 (only 22 gp)
- The Law

does not belong in the NHL

NHL offense / WHL defense

yeah i know what you mean.. he plays like he's entitled.

not seven million dollar material
- Dozzer

I also worry about complacency if a new deal is signed, I see it from him, mark my words.

does not belong in the NHL

NHL offense / WHL defense
- Dozzer

how many mins is he getting?

i think Kadri will end up being dealt at some point for help on the blueline in TO.
- DoubleDown

nah.. not with the C issues the leafs are having.

with the way this D is playing I wouldnt be so sure.

Nonis and Carlyle might see this as a prime opportunity to rebuild the leafs D.. dont think for two seconds they arent talking about it.
- Dozzer

they damn well better be.

il take nashville's #1 d man











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Watching Lucic blow by him and not a desperate attempt to get back was the last straw for me, seen that too many times, you have to be hard on the puck, go back and get it when you are being rushed, I don't want to see that for the next 5 or more years.
- LeafMan

When you play 25 minutes, you're bound to get tired going up against top players every game.

Not too many players can play those minutes against that competition with someone like gunnar as their partner and not get gassed.

Ok. Except he is..Goes up and shuts down guys like Crosby on a nightly basis. On the ice for something like 9 GA's, at ES
- jbold

Once in a while that occurs.
Most games, he gets skated around, misses the net on 90% of his shots, has trouble clearing the puck sometimes.

Dion would be great as 5 million dollar number 2 Dman.
But he's not and will not be used that way on the leafs. He'll be our number 1...frankly, he's simply not a number 1