Yea, or you could think of it as, the 4th line get 8-10 minutes because the team is actually up on the scoreboard and winning. Chicken or Egg syndrome.
- youarewrong

No, it's not. A good team can roll four lines. When the Flyers were able to roll four lines they were a better team.

A lot of good teams win close games, because they have a fourth line that plays good defense and doesn't take mindless penalties.

In theory wasn't the addition of Streit supposed to help moving the puck? Haven't seen much evidence of this.

He couldn't stick on the first PP unit, I'm not really seeing what his value is.
- PLindbergh31

Lol, you're really teeing that one up for me, aren't you?

In theory wasn't the addition of Streit supposed to help moving the puck? Haven't seen much evidence of this.

He couldn't stick on the first PP unit, I'm not really seeing what his value is.
- PLindbergh31

Yes, it was. He has not played well at all. Far too many low percentage plays and e hasn't adjusted well.

Rinaldo in the line up, hmm I have mixed feelings about this.
Seems like he has earned himself a time out.

I may be mistaken but wasn't Zibanejad playing on their 4th line last time Flyers played the Sens? Now he's on the first line and Conacher is a healthy scratch. Interesting.
- Marc D

Nobody understands what the coaches do with Zibanejad. It all started when they sent him down to start season, but he is one if their best wingers on most nights. Sens picked him with Couts still available in draft

Yes, it was. He has not played well at all. Far too many low percentage plays and e hasn't adjusted well.
- Jsaquella

So many people were under the impression that he was going to be like Brian Campbell or Christian Ehrhoff... he's never been anything more than a grossly overrated (and now grossly overpaid) MA Bergeron.

So many people were under the impression that he was going to be like Brian Campbell or Christian Ehrhoff... he's never been anything more than a grossly overrated (and now grossly overpaid) MA Bergeron.
- Tomahawk

Well, he was a capable puck mover with the Islanders, despite being bad defensively. Never had the foot speed of Campbell, but he was a decent passer and puck carrier.

But he's been bad.

I have a feeling that the deal would include more then just Couts though. I bet it would be either:

Couts+L.Schenn
Couts+Simmonds
Couts+Coburn

And we would get Yakupov, the pick, and a defensive prospect. I know Edmonton has expressed interest in both Simmonds and Coburn in the past. L.Schenn is my throw in as he is in Berube's dog house and young with the chance to grow withe Edmonton's team. Edmonton was offereing 3 2nd rounds for Coburn at the draft... and I know they have really heald Simmonds in great esteem. It will be interesting to see.
- youarewrong

any of the above trades would leave me livid

Well, he was a capable puck mover with the Islanders, despite being bad defensively. Never had the foot speed of Campbell, but he was a decent passer and puck carrier.

But he's been bad.
- Jsaquella

I didn't see a lot of tears being shed when they traded him to us... that was pretty telling in and of itself.

I didn't see a lot of tears being shed when they traded him to us... that was pretty telling in and of itself.
- Tomahawk

Well all fanbases have their whipping boys. Lot of folks here were calling for Carter and JvR to be traded for awhile before they were gone.

Being a great team guy is wonderful, but when you're routinely putting the team shorthanded and not drawing any PPs for the team, you're not an effective energy player.

That's really the bottom line. If he's getting reputation calls against him, he has himself to blame, because he forged that rep. He's not a good possession player, he's not going to score much, so he needs to be agitating and strring the pot...if he's not doing that, he's pretty much a liability.
- Jsaquella

Rinaldo has 81 minutes in Penaliteis. 15 of which is from fighting, and 20 of which is from 10 minute misconducts. So that leaves 46 minutes of penalities. Not great, but not too bad. By comparieson Roussel has 70 minutes in Penalities... Not that far off.

No, it's not. A good team can roll four lines. When the Flyers were able to roll four lines they were a better team.

A lot of good teams win close games, because they have a fourth line that plays good defense and doesn't take mindless penalties.
- Jsaquella

And a lot of good teams get ahead in games and can rest the regulars by playing the 4th lines. Just how Andy Read's running game numbers look better then they really were.

Rinaldo has 81 minutes in Penaliteis. 15 of which is from fighting, and 20 of which is from 10 minute misconducts. So that leaves 46 minutes of penalities. Not great, but not too bad. By comparieson Roussel has 70 minutes in Penalities... Not that far off.
- youarewrong

That means he's put us short 23 times... at the minimum...
Out of 29 games.
Not good...

I think he is too eratic in his play. Takes too many chances, and roves too much to be a 4th line player. You have to remember who he is playing with. For every good play Raffl makes, he is likely to make a poor one. Do you thing Hall or Rinaldo or Rosehill or McGinn are going to be able to recover from a Raffl turn-over, or realize Raffl is skating out of postion and to cover his zone. It would be chaos on the 4th line, when you want stability and aggression.
- youarewrong

The only thing erratic about Raffl is his shot.
I think we are watching different players from your description.
The guy is very solid playing away from the puck.
He typically is in the right spot defensively.
He is fast and can recover when he gets out of position.
He is more likely to create a turnover then give the puck away.

He has no finish, that I can see.
But the rest of it I disagree.

And a lot of good teams get ahead in games and can rest the regulars by playing the 4th lines. Just how Andy Read's running game numbers look better then they really were.
- youarewrong

Yes, that happens...but it doesn't happen every game. These guys average 8-10 minutes a night. You don't do that just because the team gets a lead and can roll four lines. These aren't teams blowing other teams out every night.

Well all fanbases have their whipping boys. Lot of folks here were calling for Carter and JvR to be traded for awhile before they were gone.
- Jsaquella

That's true, but neither Carter nor JvR were 35-years-old, UFA-bound and declining.

Aside from Holmstrom, none of those guys are ideal 4th-line players, though.
- Tomahawk

I would give Akeson a go on the 1st or 2nd lines. What's the worst that could happen?

salary cap projected to be between 70-71 million next year

Lol, you're really teeing that one up for me, aren't you?
- Tomahawk

I suppose I am. When you described the play where Streit was beaten to the puck, then tossed around like a rag doll, I was howling. The fact that description applies a few times a game makes it less funny.

Rinaldo has 81 minutes in Penaliteis. 15 of which is from fighting, and 20 of which is from 10 minute misconducts. So that leaves 46 minutes of penalities. Not great, but not too bad. By comparieson Roussel has 70 minutes in Penalities... Not that far off.
- youarewrong

No it's not...but Roussel is drawing more penalties, which is a huge difference, because he's not putting his team down a guy very often...which Rinaldo is doing.

Roussel also has 11 points and is playing 5 minutes a night more than Rinaldo, because he's been a lot more effective.

And a lot of good teams get ahead in games and can rest the regulars by playing the 4th lines. Just how Andy Read's running game numbers look better then they really were.
- youarewrong

Unless it's a blowout, no 4th-line is going to see much ice in the 3rd-period of games. The 4th-liners that reach that 8-10 minute plateau are usually primary contributors on the PK, and/or able to move up the lineup when necessary.

I didn't see a lot of tears being shed when they traded him to us... that was pretty telling in and of itself.
- Tomahawk

Islanders fans knew they didn't need Streit because they were a lock for the playoffs with their current roster.



If we don't somehow get him, I hope the pick they traded to Buffalo gets the Sabres McDavid.

Yes, it was. He has not played well at all. Far too many low percentage plays and e hasn't adjusted well.
- Jsaquella

I didn't mind the signing when it happened. Didn't like the term. I thought Streit would be better than this. He's struggled mightily.

salary cap projected to be between 70-71 million next year
- nastyflyergirl

Lockout 2012-13: Problem Solved

Not that I'm complaining about the extra wiggle room

In theory wasn't the addition of Streit supposed to help moving the puck? Haven't seen much evidence of this.

He couldn't stick on the first PP unit, I'm not really seeing what his value is.
- PLindbergh31

Unfortunately, someone posted the other day that even on the Isle, Streit's regular 5-on-5 shifts were the lowest on the team at the end. I was really excited to get Streit, but I'm starting to get concerned there isn't any tread left on the tire.

Unless it's a blowout, no 4th-line is going to see much ice in the 3rd-period of games. The 4th-liners that reach that 8-10 minute plateau are usually primary contributors on the PK, and/or able to move up the lineup when necessary.
- Tomahawk

Except that's not the case for teams like Chicago, Los Angeles or Pittsurgh.

They each have several 4th liners, averaging between 8-10 minutes a game, who don't play regularly on the PK. Yes they can slide up the line up, which supports the point I am making, that good teams have 4th lines that can play 8-10 minutes a night without hurting the team.

The only time Rosehill is playing 8 minutes is in a blowout. A guy liek Brandon Bollig does it most nights for the Hawks