Ek has another rumor that Edmonton is seriously interested in Couts. The deal, IMO starts at Yakupov, their 1st and best young Dman. Thoughts?
- jstross

Nah, I don't like the idea of trading one of our hardest workers for someone with work ethic conerns. If anything, I think we should trade one of our guys with work ethic concerns for a guy who'll play his heart out every shift like Simmonds, Read, and Couturier do.

Ek has another rumor that Edmonton is seriously interested in Couts. The deal, IMO starts at Yakupov, their 1st and best young Dman. Thoughts?
- jstross

I'd rather ask for somebody with less question marks than Yakupov, but it'd take a ton for me to move Couturier.

Nah, I don't like the idea of trading one of our hardest workers for someone with work ethic conerns. If anything, I think we should trade one of our guys with work ethic concerns for a guy who'll play his heart out every shift like Simmonds, Read, and Couturier do.
- JAKEw1234

who would you consider someone with work ethic concerns? even when the level of play sucks, it really doesnt scream of just not trying.

holy mother of (frank)

Is he gonna be ok? I mean....he should be right? ...just an ugly ugly UGLY NASTY cut no main arteries or anything in the cheek....

EDIT: the expression of his brother says it all
- Giroux_Is_God

holy poop

who would you consider someone with work ethic concerns? even when the level of play sucks, it really doesnt scream of just not trying.
- stayinthefnnet

As much as I like his skill, I'd consider Voracek that. I think there have been losses this year where we definitely showed poor effort. There have been some wins where we showed poor effort.

As much as I like his skill, I'd consider Voracek that. I think there have been losses this year where we definitely showed poor effort. There have been some wins where we showed poor effort.
- JAKEw1234

his numbers are pretty down ill admit, but i still think jake has some decent value should you try to move him.

his numbers are pretty down ill admit, but i still think jake has some decent value should you try to move him.
- stayinthefnnet

I think he has really good value, he's a young top line winger. I love him, but I'd like if we moved him for a harder working player.

I think he has really good value, he's a young top line winger. I love him, but I'd like if we moved him for a harder working player.
- JAKEw1234

yeah. guys with that heart and skill combination are awesome, but hard to find

I think he has really good value, he's a young top line winger. I love him, but I'd like if we moved him for a harder working player.
- JAKEw1234

Jake works hard from the centre ice down the boards and around the opposition net...seems he really enjoys that

yeah. guys with that heart and skill combination are awesome, but hard to find
- stayinthefnnet

That's why I'm so happy with Matt Read's contract.

I'd rather ask for somebody with less question marks than Yakupov, but it'd take a ton for me to move Couturier.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, I guess my point was it has to be a huge overpay by Edmonton and one to Homer's liking. Any and all trades need to improve the future. No exception.

That's why I'm so happy with Matt Read's contract.
- JAKEw1234

as you should be. worth every penny. love him.

Yeah, I guess my point was it has to be a huge overpay by Edmonton and one to Homer's liking. Any and all trades need to improve the future. No exception.
- jstross

want to be the GM of the phillies? pretty please?

want to be the GM of the phillies? pretty please?
- stayinthefnnet

If Amaro is trying to trade Papelbon, then it might make up for all the stu...nah!

If Amaro is trying to trade Papelbon, then it might make up for all the stu...nah!
- Jsaquella

haha nah is right. i dont know who would even want that contract. like i said, i can stomach a concession of taking a few steps back. just dont hover in no man's land. you either have a team good enough to compete, or you dont. if you don't, take the steps necessary to move in that direction, even if it is a momentary step backwards. marlon byrd is not going to accomplish either.

haha nah is right. i dont know who would even want that contract. like i said, i can stomach a concession of taking a few steps back. just dont hover in no man's land. you either have a team good enough to compete, or you dont. if you don't, take the steps necessary to move in that direction, even if it is a momentary step backwards. marlon byrd is not going to accomplish either.
- stayinthefnnet

That contract, ugh...but if they can trade his ass, I'd be cool with them even eating half of it, just to be rid of that clown

Everyone speculating the Lecavalier backs spasms was something more serious have yolk on their brows.

More of the R & R show. Rosehill and Rinaldo baby.... Clownshow.
- PLindbergh31

well at least someone is happy

That contract, ugh...but if they can trade his ass, I'd be cool with them even eating half of it, just to be rid of that clown
- Jsaquella

i agree. any suggestions on where you would steer the ship overall?

i agree. any suggestions on where you would steer the ship overall?
- stayinthefnnet

I'd probably go full on, balls to the wall, rebuild. I'd dump Howard, Utley, Papelbon for whatever I could get and really push for guys who might have a bit of value like Ruiz, Lee and Rollins to grab assets.

Then splurge with the savings and new TV deal money

I'd probably go full on, balls to the wall, rebuild. I'd dump Howard, Utley, Papelbon for whatever I could get and really push for guys who might have a bit of value like Ruiz, Lee and Rollins to grab assets.

Then splurge with the savings and new TV deal money
- Jsaquella

as heartbreaking as it is to see a lot of guys go, i think i would do the same. howard, i honestly dont think you could give him away at his contract, let alone get any sort of assets back. Lee is a reason to watch solely by himself every fifth day, but i think i would move him too and try to get a good haul. same with utley, he would probably hurt most of all, but i would.

who keeps the cut or you as far as keeping as part of the forward solution? hamels and brown? besides that?

as heartbreaking as it is to see a lot of guys go, i think i would do the same. howard, i honestly dont think you could give him away at his contract, let alone get any sort of assets back. Lee is a reason to watch solely by himself every fifth day, but i think i would move him too and try to get a good haul. same with utley, he would probably hurt most of all, but i would.

who keeps the cut or you as far as keeping as part of the forward solution? hamels and brown? besides that?
- stayinthefnnet

Hamels, Brown, Revere...some of the young pitchers, like DeFratus, Rosenberg. Problem is, I don't trust Rube to get good value for the handful of vets that might have some left.

Hamels, Brown, Revere...some of the young pitchers, like DeFratus, Rosenberg. Problem is, I don't trust Rube to get good value for the handful of vets that might have some left.
- Jsaquella

ugh not exactly a stocked cupboard there. but yeah i too share the same concern. and they need to maximize whatever they can. i just worry that they are going to go the calgary flames route

ugh not exactly a stocked cupboard there. but yeah i too share the same concern. and they need to maximize whatever they can. i just worry that they are going to go the calgary flames route
- stayinthefnnet

It's just that they are counting heavily on so many pieces who are old and injury prone. It's not as if these are just old guys, there's major health concerns all over the field.

It's just that they are counting heavily on so many pieces who are old and injury prone. It's not as if these are just old guys, there's major health concerns all over the field.
- Jsaquella

definitely. a lot has changed since 2009 and they need to realize that. i dont know what howard's deal is. hes definitely not young, but not old enough to be washed out. injuries are a big part, but mentally he seems shot. utley, bless his heart, but simply cant be viewed as a franchise carrier anymore. Lee and Hamels can still carry the front of a rotation, but beyond that? its issues galore everywhere, with no real easy fix in sight. the lineup is atrocious.

definitely. a lot has changed since 2009 and they need to realize that. i dont know what howard's deal is. hes definitely not young, but not old enough to be washed out. injuries are a big part, but mentally he seems shot. utley, bless his heart, but simply cant be viewed as a franchise carrier anymore. Lee and Hamels can still carry the front of a rotation, but beyond that? its issues galore everywhere, with no real easy fix in sight. the lineup is atrocious.
- stayinthefnnet

It's hard for a power hitter to come back from that kind of injury, and he was hurt again last season. His issue is injury more than age. Utley, as well, is more injury than age.

The age factor just makes it harder to come back from those injuries.