RoR can sign any contract he pleases. Until he hits rfa the QO isn't important. Afterwards though it gets more messy
- Meeqsb

this is a good point, assuming he signs the QO at 6.5, it's still not exactly urgent for the Avs to trade him as soon as possible.

Brodie might get you ROR equipment. Brodie is still an unknown.
- poisondhearts37

He's an unknown despite playing almost 24 minutes/night at age 23 while maintaining solid offensive numbers? He's no scrub defensively, either. Take it for what you will, but I'm an Oilers fan and I wish we had him!

Can we state Ryan O'Reilly as a 1rst line guy? For me, no...

A top 2nd line guy for sure. COL having Duchene and O'Reilly as a 1-2 punch perfect. Don't forget MacKinnon either
- Prusthemust

I think he's playing LW now.

I think he's playing LW now.
- poisondhearts37

That's more due to the Avs depth at C than anything I think.

He's an unknown despite playing almost 24 minutes/night at age 23 while maintaining solid offensive numbers? He's no scrub defensively, either. Take it for what you will, but I'm an Oilers fan and I wish we had him!
- MaximumBone

It be easier to tell if he played on a team with a solid depth chart that wasn't in the bottom 10 in the league in gaa.

Still I think RoR is a very legitimate asset so its not a knock on him, just on different levels

He's an unknown despite playing almost 24 minutes/night at age 23 while maintaining solid offensive numbers? He's no scrub defensively, either. Take it for what you will, but I'm an Oilers fan and I wish we had him!
- MaximumBone

I didnt really mean it literally. Hes just still an unknown commodity. He isnt worth half ROR yet. Maybe one day. But Calg would be in a bad spot if they moved two of theyre best prospects to get ROR. They need to do a real rebuild. Not get another guy to keep them in the playoff hunt. I know they arent in one. But thats theyre M.O when theyre not a bottom feeder and playing ok hockey. If they had more of theyre youth ready to get going. Then yes go after ROR.

I think he's playing LW now.
- poisondhearts37

He has been playing 1st line lw and has been doing a great job for it not being his natural position. He would still be a better center though I tthink.

I didnt really mean it literally. Hes just still an unknown commodity. He isnt worth half ROR yet. Maybe one day. But Calg would be in a bad spot if they moved two of theyre best prospects to get ROR. They need to do a real rebuild. Not get another guy to keep them in the playoff hunt. I know they arent in one. But thats theyre M.O when theyre not a bottom feeder and playing ok hockey. If they had more of theyre youth ready to get going. Then yes go after ROR.
- poisondhearts37

Well the big reason the offer sheet was such a defensible move was because it worked both as a move for the future AND for the "playoff hunt" (at the time, Calgary wasn't that far out of the playoffs; while I think they still would have missed the playoffs, having him in the lineup could have dropped the draft pick they gave up to a lower level). Here it would purely be a move for the future and depending on the assets involved - Baertschi would certainly be an acceptable starting point IMO - it could be a good one still.

It be easier to tell if he played on a team with a solid depth chart that wasn't in the bottom 10 in the league in gaa.

Still I think RoR is a very legitimate asset so its not a knock on him, just on different levels
- Meeqsb

This is sort of a tangent: A couple years ago, when Turris was on the market, there was a debate among Flames fans whether to trade for him. When the return ended up being Rundblad and a 2nd (at the time, Rundblad was a highly regarded d prospect, not sure how he's progressed since then though) most people agreed that it would not have been worth it since the equivalent for Calgary would have been Brodie.

Now, with Brodie having a fairly bad season and Turris breaking out finally, I wonder...

O'Reilly would be an excellent get for any team.

I still maintain that had there not been that bullpoop with clearing waivers, the Flames offer sheet last year was 100% defensible.
- S Kaspar Rollins

IMO you're incorrect. The whole contract stinks.

First you give him a 2 mill signing bonus then a 1.5 mill salary for last year. The bonus is guaranteed. So basically he made 2.5 million last year to play 29 games. That's on par with guys like Crosby, Malkin.

Then the 6.5 Million for this year is way high. Then they also have to qualify him at the same amount.

Seems holding out gets you big time rewards.

Terrible contract all around.

André Benoit being yout top guy in points on D.... thats funny..
- Prusthemust

It's not a one man D like Subban.

The team is.. TEAM.. is 20-7 on the year. Even with a ragtag defense.

RoR is 22. He's an elite 2 way forward, RIGHT NOW. He is going to be a lifelong 55+ pt. player who does everything extremely well, ala' Bergeron, who ironically.. or not.. enough.. is the only other guy outside of... RoR... to make his NHL team as a 2nd round pick @ 18 years old.

There is a very LARGE reason Avs fans don't want him going anywhere anytime soon. If you don't watch any games of Colorado, you'd never know based on his pt. production.. that's not all he's about.

Bergeron light right now. Give him 2 more years.

IMO you're incorrect. The whole contract stinks.

First you give him a 2 mill signing bonus then a 1.5 mill salary for last year. The bonus is guaranteed. So basically he made 2.5 million last year to play 29 games. That's on par with guys like Crosby, Malkin.

Then the 6.5 Million for this year is way high. Then they also have to qualify him at the same amount.

Seems holding out gets you big time rewards.

Terrible contract all around.
- Iggysbff

You're forgetting two things

A. Overpaying/poison pills are literally THE ONLY WAY to make the other team consider walking away from an offer sheet. Otherwise you're just doing the other team a favor. Every time an offer sheet is given, people all go "Oh my god, that's such an overpayment, and the picks!! " Yet every time (almost) the other team matches it anyway. Gee I wonder why?

B. Money was, and still is the least of Calgary's concerns. When you're at or nearing the rock-bottom stage of a rebuild you can afford a bad contract or two. Besides, if you're going to overpay guys, doing it for great young players on relatively short term deals isn't that risky.

People get way too hung up on guys being "overpaid",

You're forgetting two things

A. Overpaying/poison pills are literally THE ONLY WAY to make the other team consider walking away from an offer sheet. Otherwise you're just doing the other team a favor. Every time an offer sheet is given, people all go "Oh my god, that's such an overpayment, and the picks!! " Yet every time (almost) the other team matches it anyway. Gee I wonder why?

B. Money was, and still is the least of Calgary's concerns. When you're at or nearing the rock-bottom stage of a rebuild you can afford a bad contract or two. Besides, if you're going to overpay guys, doing it for great young players on relatively short term deals isn't that risky.

People get way too hung up on guys being "overpaid",
- S Kaspar Rollins

IMO, I don't see the big deal. So we give RoR almost as much as Duchene/Landy, etc.. and?

Just assure the two of Duchene and Landeskog that next time around they get to really cash in as long as they're still producing. RoR will seem like a steal @ 6.5 for the next 6 or 7 seasons once the cap goes up the next handful of seasons..

And then you can sign Duchene and Landeskog (hopefully they keep playing well) to the 8+ contracts they likely will deserve in 5 or so years.

Nothing wrong with that I don't think. I realize for now it'll seem odd RoR makes more, but it's not the Avs fault. Calgary did that ish to 'em.

You're forgetting two things

A. Overpaying/poison pills are literally THE ONLY WAY to make the other team consider walking away from an offer sheet. Otherwise you're just doing the other team a favor. Every time an offer sheet is given, people all go "Oh my god, that's such an overpayment, and the picks!! " Yet every time (almost) the other team matches it anyway. Gee I wonder why?

B. Money was, and still is the least of Calgary's concerns. When you're at or nearing the rock-bottom stage of a rebuild you can afford a bad contract or two. Besides, if you're going to overpay guys, doing it for great young players on relatively short term deals isn't that risky.

People get way too hung up on guys being "overpaid",
- S Kaspar Rollins

A. Certain types of players are not worth overpaying. This guy has played well but far from Elite as he's being paid. And he has an attitude to go with it. Not a guy I'd even consider over paying for.

B. Money is always a concern. A bad contract gives other guys a benchmark. Whether you like it or not, if you pay ROR that much other guys look at that and say they deserve more. Its bad for the whole league.

IMO, I don't see the big deal. So we give RoR almost as much as Duchene/Landy, etc.. and?

Just assure the two of Duchene and Landeskog that next time around they get to really cash in as long as they're still producing. RoR will seem like a steal @ 6.5 for the next 6 or 7 seasons once the cap goes up the next handful of seasons..

And then you can sign Duchene and Landeskog (hopefully they keep playing well) to the 8+ contracts they likely will deserve in 5 or so years.

Nothing wrong with that I don't think. I realize for now it'll seem odd RoR makes more, but it's not the Avs fault. Calgary did that ish to 'em.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Feaster got skewered for not realizing that ROR had to pass through waivers but really that was a mistake made by Sherman and ROR's agent as well. Had Sherman known it, he could have told ROR's agent that offer sheets were impossible, thus he would have had no leverage in the negotiations.

A. Certain types of players are not worth overpaying. This guy has played well but far from Elite as he's being paid. And he has an attitude to go with it. Not a guy I'd even consider over paying for.

B. Money is always a concern. A bad contract gives other guys a benchmark. Whether you like it or not, if you pay ROR that much other guys look at that and say they deserve more. Its bad for the whole league.
- Iggysbff

How many other guys in the NHL can claim what RoR can right now?

Yeah, he held out. So did Subban. So did a lot of other players. He's put up.

He can play 1C on most teams in the NHL, and if not, 2C is extremely doable. Hell, he was playing the third line here for a bit.. he can play the top line wing as well.. he can win draws, work the PK, work the PP.. he does it all at both ends of the ice and very well.. he's 22!

He is a world class talent and will be for a long damn time. People who do not watch him regularly are missing out on a lot of things he does. Points do not say the whole story.

Otherwise you should be saying that Bergeron is overpaid.

Feaster got skewered for not realizing that ROR had to pass through waivers but really that was a mistake made by Sherman and ROR's agent as well. Had Sherman known it, he could have told ROR's agent that offer sheets were impossible, thus he would have had no leverage in the negotiations.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Yep, but it still happened.

How many other guys in the NHL can claim what RoR can right now?

Yeah, he held out. So did Subban. So did a lot of other players. He's put up.

He can play 1C on most teams in the NHL, and if not, 2C is extremely doable. Hell, he was playing the third line here for a bit.. he can play the top line wing as well.. he can win draws, work the PK, work the PP.. he does it all at both ends of the ice and very well.. he's 22!

He is a world class talent and will be for a long damn time. People who do not watch him regularly are missing out on a lot of things he does. Points do not say the whole story.

Otherwise you should be saying that Bergeron is overpaid.
- DutchCanSaveUs

This.

Yep, but it still happened.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Yeah I'm not really defending Feaster on that front, I just feel it should be pointed out he wasn't the only one who screwed up.

Carlson > Edler.
- Blackstrom2

wrong. mayor of wrongville type of wrong.

It's not a one man D like Subban.

The team is.. TEAM.. is 20-7 on the year. Even with a ragtag defense.

RoR is 22. He's an elite 2 way forward, RIGHT NOW. He is going to be a lifelong 55+ pt. player who does everything extremely well, ala' Bergeron, who ironically.. or not.. enough.. is the only other guy outside of... RoR... to make his NHL team as a 2nd round pick @ 18 years old.

There is a very LARGE reason Avs fans don't want him going anywhere anytime soon. If you don't watch any games of Colorado, you'd never know based on his pt. production.. that's not all he's about.

Bergeron light right now. Give him 2 more years.
- DutchCanSaveUs

You really think Subban does everything on the ice?

I know a lot about ROR, certainly not as you Avs fan but I'm a big fan of his work and you don't have to sell this guy to me. My point is his contract is awful at 22years old, a lot more than what the oilers did. Second I still think Andre Benoit as your top D in point... is (frank)ing funny

You really think Subban does everything on the ice?

I know a lot about ROR, certainly not as you Avs fan but I'm a big fan of his work and you don't have to sell this guy to me. My point his his contract is awful at 22years old, a lot more than what the oilers did. Second I still think Andre Benoit as your top D in point... is (frank)ing funny
- Prusthemust

Subban does a LOT for the Habs, which is why 99.9% of them don't want him even in the 'trade' conversation. He's as valuable to their D as RoR is to this Avs team going forward in the dept. of 2 way play. He is Joe Sakic w/o the finish... yet.

His contract isn't terrible. He would be fine @ 6-6.5 over the next 5-6 years to most Avs fans.

The problem is that he'd be making more than Duchene and Landeskog. He has earned every penny of that contract thus far.

They made him switch from his natural C position to the LW.. as a lefty myself, i'd much prefer to play the right side.. for him to still thrive being thrust into a new spot like this.. pretty damn impressive.

None of his defensive game has gone away, either. He's basically a 1st or 2nd line C on Duchenes wing. Not fair for the most part.

Having to deal with Duchene and RoR on one line, then MacKinnon and Landeskog on another, or something of the sort.. for the next 10+ years.. is a scary goddamn thought to a lot of GM's right now.

You really think Subban does everything on the ice?

I know a lot about ROR, certainly not as you Avs fan but I'm a big fan of his work and you don't have to sell this guy to me. My point is his contract is awful at 22years old, a lot more than what the oilers did. Second I still think Andre Benoit as your top D in point... is (frank)ing funny
- Prusthemust

It isnt all that funny if you actually look at the guys they have for dman. Theyre not point producing dman. Theyre all defensive guys some with some 2way skill. If they could get Barrie rolling things could look way different in Colorado. But theyre winning games. Ive always said they need to get a puck moving guy to play with Johnson if they can feel comfortable enough with him as far as relying on him. I thought they would of taken a gamble on bringing back Liles.

It isnt all that funny if you actually look at the guys they have for dman. Theyre not point producing dman. Theyre all defensive guys some with some 2way skill. If they could get Barrie rolling things could look way different in Colorado. But theyre winning games. Ive always said they need to get a puck moving guy to play with Johnson if they can feel comfortable enough with him as far as relying on him. I thought they would of taken a gamble on bringing back Liles.
- poisondhearts37

If liles was half price i'd love him back. At least he could run a damn PP.

We're what, 0-17 recently? 5 pts on the PP since November 1st?? Holy poop on stick.

I think MTL targeting RoR has Dudley all over it. His size and dynamic play would be just what Mtl needs and would make them deadly in the playoffs. That being said, I HOPE we don't move him. He is so huge to this team and is a Backes type of player and is still young as hell. javascript:emoticon('')

I would really hope tinordi would be a part of the deal but In general I hope it doesn't happen at all.

Also how could MTL even afford RoRs cap hit
- Meeqsb

RoR is far from David Backes level player. DB can take over a game in beast mode. RoR can't. The guy is overpaid thanks to the idiots in Calgary.

EDLER is an all star defenseman and a legitimate top pairing dman. Hard to find. just cuz some idiot Canucks fans want to rip Edler doesn't mean the guy isn't good. i have to wonder though what the caps give up for him?

Carlson plus is what the Canucks will want seeing as how they've been interested in Carlson in the past as well.. maybe Carlson plus Ward, another guy the Canucks coveted in the past.