I love Corsi and Fenwick, but at some point, if the player isn't producing, what does it matter if he has good possession numbers? He's either very unlucky, or the numbers have been skewed in an isolated incident. It happens, neither system is perfect.
- Blackstrom2

I was joking, relying on advanced stats religiously is ridiculous.

Been awesome this season. Teams best player, IMO. Him or JVR anyways.
- systemtool

Yup. Was pretty awesome last year too. A big part of keeping the leafs solidly in a playoff spot.

Really? Is ROR a Bobby Ryan who went for 2 firsts and a 2nd, essentially a 1st and a 2nd as Noesen is a bust. ROR is a defensive minded forward, which go for much less than a high calibre player like Bobby Ryan. Surely, his age plays a factor, but you're only saying that because you would hate to see him on the Habs. Tinordi + 2nd might be a soft offer, but I as a Habs fan would not give up Tinordi in a deal for O'Reilly.
- Komisaurus Rex

So the Leaf fan is being unrealistic because he doesnt want ROR on the Habs, but you're being realistic because you want him on the Habs, but the guy is a bum and a poo stain compared to Tinordi who is a Hab already.

Dude, get down from the ladder before you hurt yourself.

I dont think they would even do carlson straight up
- pbrsimps

Even if the Caps would move Carlson for Edler, which they wouldn't, the move doesn't make sense. They only really have three top-4 dmen on the roster (and that's being kind of generous to Green's play of late). Other than that it's injured vets and a rotation of rookies. Moving any kind of package that includes Carlson for Edler wouldn't solve that problem it would just swap one top-4 for another. I like Edler, but if he's going to the caps it's going to be for some combination of a forward/ pick/ prospect. Or maybe put a Dman not named Carlson or Alzner in there-- and leave Green out too because no one is going to take that contract on.

What about Erat, a second or third, and one of the D prospects like Carrick or Urbom?

Even if the Caps would move Carlson for Edler, which they wouldn't, the move doesn't make sense. They only really have three top-4 dmen on the roster (and that's being kind of generous to Green's play of late). Other than that it's injured vets and a rotation of rookies. Moving any kind of package that includes Carlson for Edler wouldn't solve that problem it would just swap one top-4 for another. I like Edler, but if he's going to the caps it's going to be for some combination of a forward/ pick/ prospect. Or maybe put a Dman not named Carlson or Alzner in there-- and leave Green out too because no one is going to take that contract on.

What about Erat, a second or third, and one of the D prospects like Carrick or Urbom?
- jcbbb

Not enough. If that is the asking price, at least 5 team would have done the deal already.

Even if the Caps would move Carlson for Edler, which they wouldn't, the move doesn't make sense. They only really have three top-4 dmen on the roster (and that's being kind of generous to Green's play of late). Other than that it's injured vets and a rotation of rookies. Moving any kind of package that includes Carlson for Edler wouldn't solve that problem it would just swap one top-4 for another. I like Edler, but if he's going to the caps it's going to be for some combination of a forward/ pick/ prospect. Or maybe put a Dman not named Carlson or Alzner in there-- and leave Green out too because no one is going to take that contract on.

What about Erat, a second or third, and one of the D prospects like Carrick or Urbom?
- jcbbb

Whether you like Edler or not he can get a better return than Erat . We already have Booth we don't need a second one like that.

I am not an Edler fan but if he doesn't bring back a top 6 forward then don't move him.

So the Leaf fan is being unrealistic because he doesnt want ROR on the Habs, but you're being realistic because you want him on the Habs, but the guy is a bum and a poo stain compared to Tinordi who is a Hab already.

Dude, get down from the ladder before you hurt yourself.
- systemtool

show me where I said he was a "bum", I simply used the Ryan deal in comparison to the supposed asking Price - (Carey that is, ya we beat you the other day) and ROR has put up nowhere near the #'s Ryan has, I never said ROR wasn't a good player, I just don't think he would come with the same price tag as a player like Ryan. Also I didn't say Tinordi was a better player, you need to learn how to read instead of misinterpreting everything one says.

Whether you like Edler or not he can get a better return than Erat . We already have Booth we don't need a second one like that.

I am not an Edler fan but if he doesn't bring back a top 6 forward then don't move him.
- VANTEL

Yeah I had a feeling that's what I would hear. I'm not sure who the caps have that they would move and would fill that role though. They have a bunch of forwards but not a bunch of clear-cut top six guys that would realistically be moved. Doesn't really seem like a fit.

Really? Is ROR a Bobby Ryan who went for 2 firsts and a 2nd, essentially a 1st and a 2nd as Noesen is a bust. ROR is a defensive minded forward, which go for much less than a high calibre player like Bobby Ryan. Surely, his age plays a factor, but you're only saying that because you would hate to see him on the Habs. Tinordi + 2nd might be a soft offer, but I as a Habs fan would not give up Tinordi in a deal for O'Reilly.
- Komisaurus Rex

I'm not a fan of noesen either but he's one year removed from the draft. You can't call him a bust that's absurd. And if you're gonna talk about him not being worth a first than you have to concede that Silfverberg probably would be at this point.

And id say RoR is worth more than bobby Ryan too.

As i said. If it were the Leafs I think it would take along the lines of franson or Gardiner, a decent prospect, and first. Tunordi and a second is a joke. Tinordi is nothing.

show me where I said he was a "bum", I simply used the Ryan deal in comparison to the supposed asking Price - (Carey that is, ya we beat you the other day) and ROR has put up nowhere near the #'s Ryan has, I never said ROR wasn't a good player, I just don't think he would come with the same price tag as a player like Ryan. Also I didn't say Tinordi was a better player, you need to learn how to read instead of misinterpreting everything one says.
- Komisaurus Rex

You need to understand the implications you're making, and what you're saying, before blaming others for your incoherency. Tinordi is junk as far as value goes, and you said you wouldn't trade him for ROR. Guess you fell before you could climb down that ladder.

I'm thinking that the young D-man in question could be Rapheal Diaz

If they're looking for a defense prospect, then maybe Tinordi. It would have to be a high prospect like Tinordi because Diaz, 2nd rounder, a mid-range prospect isn't worth ROR.

Besides, Diaz's contract is up at the end of the season and I'm guessing that he wants more than what Montreal is willing to pay.

i dont know enough about emelin to say one way or another if it's too much or too little. he seems like a pretty solid dman. nothing spectacular. maybe that package is abit steep

but the little i do know, i dont think the value is too far off because of beaulieu mostly.

but while the avs desperately need defence, ROR is a HUGE piece to their success.
he's a fantastic two way player.
not sure why theyd wanna trade him.

id assume the avs could easily get an emelin type or better for stastny. who has to be easier to swallow for them if moved
- hugefemale dog77

Emelin is really good, and very underrated. He can make the passes, will willingly throw giant hits, defensively solid, can log a good amount of minutes, and can chip in offensively on occasion. I'm a fan of both the Habs and Avs, and there's no way MB should trade Emelin. Including last season, the Habs are 34-9-6 with Emelin in the lineup.

Why would we need another center? It's like everyone is forgetting that we have the Galchenyuk (future elite #1C) and Eller (emerging shutdown #2C, successor to Plekanec) one-two punch up the middle for the forseeable future, and Plekanec still has a lot left in the tank.

I'm not a fan of noesen either but he's one year removed from the draft. You can't call him a bust that's absurd. And if you're gonna talk about him not being worth a first than you have to concede that Silfverberg probably would be at this point.

And id say RoR is worth more than bobby Ryan too.

As i said. If it were the Leafs I think it would take along the lines of franson or Gardiner, a decent prospect, and first. Tunordi and a second is a joke. Tinordi is nothing.
- prock

Noesen was drafted in 2011 and was never called upon by the Sens to play any games in Binghamton once his junior year was over, like many prospects are. Thus far he's played 2 games with Norfolk so either he is injured or he is not capable to crack the line-up, as a former 1st round pick that doesn't bode well.

You need to understand the implications you're making, and what you're saying, before blaming others for your incoherency. Tinordi is junk as far as value goes, and you said you wouldn't trade him for ROR. Guess you fell before you could climb down that ladder.
- systemtool

I never implicated Tinordi was better than ROR, that's your incoherency and again you assume I meant ROR wasn't worth Tinordi, you have a real issue with assumption. I would not give Tinordi up in a deal for ROR because he's a valuable part of the Habs moving forward. Oh ya and we beat you the other day eh.

I'm not a fan of noesen either but he's one year removed from the draft. You can't call him a bust that's absurd. And if you're gonna talk about him not being worth a first than you have to concede that Silfverberg probably would be at this point.

And id say RoR is worth more than bobby Ryan too.

As i said. If it were the Leafs I think it would take along the lines of franson or Gardiner, a decent prospect, and first. Tunordi and a second is a joke. Tinordi is nothing.
- prock

It would also be more than Gardiner, Gardiner is nothing.

Noesen was drafted in 2011 and was never called upon by the Sens to play any games in Binghamton once his junior year was over, like many prospects are. Thus far he's played 2 games with Norfolk so either he is injured or he is not capable to crack the line-up, as a former 1st round pick that doesn't bode well.
- Komisaurus Rex

Umm, I'm pretty sure he played pretty late in the season with Plymouth. They've had good teams in recent years. He's injured.

You're being ridiculous.

It would also be more than Gardiner, Gardiner is nothing.
- Komisaurus Rex

Suuuuure it is. A guy playing top minutes in the NHL. Nothing compared to an AHLer.

I never implicated Tinordi was better than ROR, that's your incoherency and again you assume I meant ROR wasn't worth Tinordi, you have a real issue with assumption. I would not give Tinordi up in a deal for ROR because he's a valuable part of the Habs moving forward. Oh ya and we beat you the other day eh.
- Komisaurus Rex

Let's see your group of merry midgets play in a 7 game series. You'll get the piss beat out of you.