And a gentleman and a scholar.
- StayTunedMTC

Sadly, not enough people are both.

in fairness, you do come off as a bit racist
- DoubleDown

I am. I hate fat people

They better not trade away Subban. I'll be beyond mad.

So you think Suter is better than Subban then? I would say they're closer to the same value wise. Maybe I'm biased but at the same time maybe so are you?
- curryjg44

It's a bit tricky to compare them straight up because they have different styles of play, but I still think Suter and Weber are the top D men in the NHL. Offensively I think Subban is in the top 3 talk, but I don't think there is any doubt that Suters defensive skills are far above that of Subban.

Makes perfect sense if you been huffing paint for 2 days.

Thanks for coming out. You don't watch a lot of hockey do you? Definitely not a lot of Habs games.
- curryjg44

But the question is do YOU watch anyone else but the habs?

Suter versus Subban is an interesting comparison, both great players.

For me, it comes down to this.

Who would I want on the ice when the game was on the line and you needed either a stop or a goal?

The answer would be Suter. Better defensively, and Suter is no slouch offensively.

I prefer defensive minded D's (and teams for that matter) so obviously I'm biased.

in fairness, you do come off as a bit racist
- DoubleDown

How is this coming off racist? lol

Suter versus Subban is an interesting comparison, both great players.

For me, it comes down to this.

Who would I want on the ice when the game was on the line and you needed either a stop or a goal?

The answer would be Suter. Better defensively, and Suter is no slouch offensively.

I prefer defensive minded D's (and teams for that matter) so obviously I'm biased.
- StayTunedMTC

Suter is a better overall D at the moment, no question. Suter is also 4 yrs older than PK (28 vs 24)

But the question is do YOU watch anyone else but the habs?
- kow23

Well, if he watches every Habs game this year, he will get to see every team at least twice

Suter versus Subban is an interesting comparison, both great players.

For me, it comes down to this.

Who would I want on the ice when the game was on the line and you needed either a stop or a goal?

The answer would be Suter. Better defensively, and Suter is no slouch offensively.

I prefer defensive minded D's (and teams for that matter) so obviously I'm biased.
- StayTunedMTC

I don't think there is any question that Subban is establishing himself as one of the best, but I tend to agree with you on the offensive/defensive portion of the discussion.

I want a shut down D-man first and foremost. Suter just has that ability to remove guys from the puck and protect his end with a sort of calmness to his game. He's excellent on outlet/break out passes as well. Not a big goal scorer like Subban, but averages about 40 points a season. I think if you're looking for the total package, Suter and Weber are at the top of the heap. Subban not far behind.

Suter versus Subban is an interesting comparison, both great players.

For me, it comes down to this.

Who would I want on the ice when the game was on the line and you needed either a stop or a goal?

The answer would be Suter. Better defensively, and Suter is no slouch offensively.

I prefer defensive minded D's (and teams for that matter) so obviously I'm biased.
- StayTunedMTC

The margin of difference in offence (Subban's advantage) is greater than the defference in defence (where Suter has the advantage).

Subban's skating is top 10 in the NHL among all players (not just d-men).

Physical play - suter has a slight edge.

Offence - Subban by a mile
Defence - Suter slight edge
Physicality - Suter slight edge
Skating - Subban by a mile

Overall, Subban is the better defenceman.

The margin of difference in offence (Subban's advantage) is greater than the defference in defence (where Suter has the advantage).

Subban's skating is top 10 in the NHL among all players (not just d-men).

Physical play - suter has a slight edge.

Offence - Subban by a mile
Defence - Suter slight edge
Physicality - Suter slight edge
Skating - Subban by a mile

Overall, Subban is the better defenceman.
- at9tfca

I like Subban and glad he is a Habs (hopefully for a long time) but Suter is the better D IMO. I think under estimate how good Suter is in his zone, it's not a slight edge. Subban is in the top 5 D in the league but I don't think he is the best all around D either, he still has some work to do to get there, he is only 24, he is not done improving.

I don't think there is any question that Subban is establishing himself as one of the best, but I tend to agree with you on the offensive/defensive portion of the discussion.

I want a shut down D-man first and foremost. Suter just has that ability to remove guys from the puck and protect his end with a sort of calmness to his game. He's excellent on outlet/break out passes as well. Not a big goal scorer like Subban, but averages about 40 points a season. I think if you're looking for the total package, Suter and Weber are at the top of the heap. Subban not far behind.
- MnGump

If you don't think Subban can play the shut down role, you obviously haven't watch the Canadiens play all season long.

He shut down Crosby, Ovechkin, Kessel in within a span of a week.

The margin of difference in offence (Subban's advantage) is greater than the defference in defence (where Suter has the advantage).

Subban's skating is top 10 in the NHL among all players (not just d-men).

Physical play - suter has a slight edge.

Offence - Subban by a mileDefence - Suter slight edge
Physicality - Suter slight edge
Skating - Subban by a mile

Overall, Subban is the better defenceman.
- at9tfca

Career numbers tell a slightly different story. Subban career avg. 37 points per season, Suter 34 with 5 more seasons under his belt.

Career numbers tell a slightly different story. Subban career avg. 37 points per season, Suter 34 with 5 more seasons under his belt.
- MnGump

Got to be careful with those "career" #'s though. One D is 28yrs old, the other is 24.

Since you have those #'s close by, how do they compare in the first 3 years in the NHL? GP and points...

If you don't think Subban can play the shut down role, you obviously haven't watch the Canadiens play all season long.

He shut down Crosby, Ovechkin, Kessel in within a span of a week.
- at9tfca

K, that's 3 games. Suter has made a career of doing it. I don't think you need to get defensive, I've clearly stated Subban is establishing himiself as top d man in the league, I just don't think he's at Suters level just yet.

Got to be careful with those "career" #'s though. One D is 28yrs old, the other is 24.

Since you have those #'s close by, how do they compare in the first 3 years in the NHL? GP and points...
- Symba007

Subban the clear winner there. Suter averaged 23 his first three seasons in 229 games played. Subban 37 in 200 games.

Suters best 3 seasons he averaged 43 points with 45 and 46 points in his best 2, Subban has only 3 seasons in the league and has yet to break the 40 point plateau.

Eklund: So...Does PK Subban for Nathan MacKinnnon Make Sense?
- Eklund

Thats funny, unproven potential superstar for current super star, funny stuff

Try again, start with Matt Duchene

The margin of difference in offence (Subban's advantage) is greater than the defference in defence (where Suter has the advantage).

Subban's skating is top 10 in the NHL among all players (not just d-men).

Physical play - suter has a slight edge.

Offence - Subban by a mile
Defence - Suter slight edge
Physicality - Suter slight edge
Skating - Subban by a mile

Overall, Subban is the better defenceman.
- at9tfca

I respect your opinion.

However, to say Suter only has a slight edge at D is wrong.

I will throw back what you said to Symba.. you must not watch Wild games at all.

You undervalue Suter and overvalue Subban.

They are both great D-man, I'd want either on my team. But if it came down to crunch time, I'd want the guy who is better defensively and can still contribute pretty damn well for a D offensively.

At the end of the day, forwards score the most so I personally don't need to rely on a better offensive talent when I have a guy who is slighty less talented offensively but slightly better defensively.

Subban the clear winner there. Suter averaged 23 his first three seasons in 229 games played. Subban 37 in 200 games.

Suters best 3 seasons he averaged 43 points with 45 and 46 points in his best 2, Subban has only 3 seasons in the league and has yet to break the 40 point plateau.
- MnGump

He would have last year if we had a full season. PK is an offense D where Suter is an all around D, not to say PK is bad defensively but he does take more chances which will lead to some mistake from time to time.

Subban keeps improving, he is a better D this year so than he was last year. PK has also a great D partner in Markov, this also helps his development and his stats, people have to take that into consideration.

All that to say...Suter is the better D at the moment as I stated earlier, no question about that.

He would have last year if we had a full season. PK is an offense D where Suter is an all around D, not to say PK is bad defensively but he does take more chances which will lead to some mistake from time to time.

Subban keeps improving, he is a better D this year so than he was last year. PK has also a great D partner in Markov, this also helps his development and his stats, people have to take that into consideration.

All that to say...Suter is the better D at the moment as I stated earlier, no question about that.
- Symba007

Yeah. If I need a goal, I go to Subban no question. I'm obviously not implying Subban is not one of the best D in the league.

My whole make believe situation was if it was a close game with minutes left, and you needed a stop or a goal, who would you rather have?

The people picking Subban have primarily said him because his offensive game is better. He is the sexier pick.

But like you said, at the end of the day, I'd go with the better two way D.

I do think Subban will get there, he's improving every year and still young like you said. A lot of D don't start panning out until they're 24, 25 and Subban is already a beast.

no way that subban and mckinnon are involve in the trade.. come on guys !!!

Montreal player who probably can be involve :

Diaz, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Bourque, Desharnais, Eller

Colorado Player who probably be involve :

O'reilly, Stastny, Paranteau

no way that subban and mckinnon are involve in the trade.. come on guys !!!

Montreal player who probably can be involve :

Diaz, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Bourque, Desharnais, Eller

Colorado Player who probably be involve :

O'reilly, Stastny, Paranteau
- Zo0by

Just from a Habs point of view, next year with Murray and Bouillon gone, the Habs would have NO depth left on D, no cap space and only 4 D's signed? (not including Drewiski, he sucks).

Obvious strained relationship with Therrien ...says who?

MacKinnon a superstar ...says who?

Fishing for traffic ...says me.