The Leafs losing streak could very easily reach 12 games. If that is the case WE absolutely will be the ones chasing. Is there anything to suggest that we would make the playoffs in that case?

People forget that even when we were winning, we were playing poorly.
- Aetherial

Very much doubt that.

I believe the Canes have been without Skinner and Semin ..
- bixll

TB lost a very imp player...They seem to be dealing with it...The leafs where sucking before Lupul and Bozak went down...

I believe the Canes have been without Skinner and Semin ..
- bixll

.. and without Skinner and Semin, people would have a hard time imagining them as a playoff team also.

At this point...

I would settle for an energy line that has some ENERGY!

I could even forsake most of the skill.

Our 4th line is absolutely horrible. There has to be players on the Marlies who could play better than that.
- Aetherial

Agreed.

TB lost a very imp player...They seem to be dealing with it...The leafs where sucking before Lupul and Bozak went down...
- Fruitcakenipple

True.

If the Leafs lost Kessel (closest thing we have), we would be F'd.

Leafs scored more goals and had more chances, but ok
- burn

keep being naive burn

i said in october that if the leafs didnt get their poop together by the 1/4 point of the season the advantage their youth gave them would be gone.

low and behold.. look who was right. they are falling apart and will be out of the playoff picture by christmas

but go ahead.. look at the one game a horseshoe dropped out of their ass as the game that defines their playing style.

cause that makes a tone of sense.. ignore the bad, hard on the good and blame the refs for everything. you do realize how that makes you look right?

True.

If the Leafs lost Kessel (closest thing we have), we would be F'd.
- Aetherial

the leafs are (frank)ed already

An energy line and a line who doesn't know how to play hockey are 2 different things.
- peddy-93

Hence why I said "energy".

It's pointless to put a guy like Parros on the ice when you just tied the game or took a 1 goal lead. It's a recipe for disaster.

been saying that for years that a 4th line of AHL'ers is better than a 4th line of goons that bring nothing but toughess.

when is there fighting in the playoffs anyways? never.

id rather use 2 wingers at 700k and play them 6-7 mins a game over orr getting 6 mins.

hell we may actually get a goal from our 4th line.

At this point...

I would settle for an energy line that has some ENERGY!

I could even forsake most of the skill.

Our 4th line is absolutely horrible. There has to be players on the Marlies who could play better than that.
- Aetherial

yeah.. that line is good for 20-25 seconds tops and even then its questionable

also.. nobody is afraid of them anymore. every team in the division has bulked up in response

keep being naive burn

i said in october that if the leafs didnt get their poop together by the 1/4 point of the season the advantage their youth gave them would be gone.

low and behold.. look who was right. they are falling apart and will be out of the playoff picture by christmas

but go ahead.. look at the one game a horseshoe dropped out of their ass as the game that defines their playing style.

cause that makes a tone of sense.. ignore the bad, hard on the good and blame the refs for everything. you do realize how that makes you look right?
- Dozzer

i think we have played 1, maybe 2 full 60 min games this year, its been brutal.

.. and without Skinner and Semin, people would have a hard time imagining them as a playoff team also.
- Aetherial

Actually, even with them.. But I was just making a point.

Not the refs fault, its the Leafs fault.. Just sayin.

Not when we had a healthy team ...

and even then, how many games have we had a full top 6 (zero). I would imagine that for at least half our games we have been without 2 of our top 6 and 3 of our top 9.

The effect is felt not only on the top lines but also on the 4th line.

How is Liles not better than some of our D?

How do Orr and Maclaren have a position on the team. They are bringing absolutely zero to the table?

Does Carlyle get a free pass for icing the most fundmentally awful team in the league.

How is this ANY different from the Ron WIlson Leafs?
- Aetherial

Face punchers are useful when punching faces.

Our face punchers aren't punching faces.

Send them down, bring up Leivo and Broll. If we're not going to have a tough 4th line, may as well bring in some more skilled guys.

So would all the people screaming "we better sign Franson longterm to 4 million plus" before he lights it up this season and costs us too much please stand up

yeah.. that line is good for 20-25 seconds tops and even then its questionable

also.. nobody is afraid of them anymore. every team in the division has bulked up in response
- Dozzer

Daammmmm you Carlyle this is all his fault.

i think we have played 1, maybe 2 full 60 min games this year, its been brutal.
- big_dion

either a huge turn around takes place or the leafs miss the post season

i think its time for nonis to make a move

Face punchers are useful when punching faces.

Our face punchers aren't punching faces.

Send them down, bring up Leivo and Broll. If we're not going to have a tough 4th line, may as well bring in some more skilled guys.
- Feeling Glucky?

i agree with this 100%.

randy will say some BS about how the other players play better when these guys are on the bench, THE BENCH, yeah...

So would all the people screaming "we better sign Franson longterm to 4 million plus" before he lights it up this season and costs us too much please stand up
- jribout

Oh hi.

been saying that for years that a 4th line of AHL'ers is better than a 4th line of goons that bring nothing but toughess.

when is there fighting in the playoffs anyways? never.

id rather use 2 wingers at 700k and play them 6-7 mins a game over orr getting 6 mins.

hell we may actually get a goal from our 4th line.
- big_dion

problem with our 4th line is they're not even bringing the toughness they brought last season.

In the playoffs Orr was actually useful, as the only guy consistently taking on Chara.

Somebody put up a pic of the panic button please

I also think Fraser might be done... he looks really slow (probably because of his injury)

either a huge turn around takes place or the leafs miss the post season

i think its time for nonis to make a move
- Dozzer

i agree, sometimes 1 move can be a shake up to get some motivation going...

and guess what, filming for HBO 24/7 starts TODAY.

either a huge turn around takes place or the leafs miss the post season

i think its time for nonis to make a move
- Dozzer

Start with the right coach for this make up. He does realize you can be offensive and still defensively reliable.

I also think Fraser might be done... he looks really slow (probably because of his injury)
- jribout

Ranger looks better than Fraser, thats for sure.

Daammmmm you Carlyle this is all his fault.
- Yeti1181

not all his fault

but to say there is something fundamentally wrong with the system he runs is foolish.

the sabres have 3 reg time wins this year.. 3.... two vs the leafs