Points isn't the main thing I look at when it comes to a defensemen.
- Pecafan Fan

Bingo!!!

kind of a weak argument.. they were a playoff team but only because they won their division.

they had 94P and the 8th seed had 92

team wide the panthers were a collective -24 with 203GF and 227GA
- Dozzer

Fine. Forget about the fact he's a career minus player (even when he played in russia). What about the fact that he's on the trading block to begin with?

Tallon isn't an idiot. He's gone so far as to name the guys as part of his young core untouchable (gudbranson, huberdeau, etc.). kulikov is only 23yrs old....the fact that he's not part of that 'untradeable' core should bring up a red flag....no?

Fine. Forget about the fact he's a career minus player (even when he played in russia). What about the fact that he's on the trading block to begin with?

Tallon isn't an idiot. He's gone so far as to name the guys as part of his young core untouchable (gudbranson, huberdeau, etc.). kulikov is only 23yrs old....the fact that he's not part of that 'untradeable' core should bring up a red flag....no?
- Pen15

no one likes the russians

kulikov has decent Corsi ..leafs need that
- senstroll

Leafs need a different system, somebody tell Carlyle

Bingo!!!
- faceto27

So offensive production doesn't count...

+/- doesn't count because he plays on the panthers...

I doubt anyone on here has seen a large enough body of work from him...

So outside of HYPE and that he is YOUNG, what indicators do we have that he'd be a good fit in Toronto?

kind of a weak argument.. they were a playoff team but only because they won their division.

they had 94P and the 8th seed had 92

team wide the panthers were a collective -24 with 203GF and 227GA
- Dozzer

You tell him Oscar........ friggin people get all worked up on pts. alot more to playing defense than scoring pts.

So offensive production doesn't count...

+/- doesn't count because he plays on the panthers...

I doubt anyone on here has seen a large enough body of work from him...

So outside of HYPE and that he is YOUNG, what indicators do we have that he'd be a good fit in Toronto?
- Pen15

Bogosian is a offensive guy too and his career is still a -34, worse then schenns

So offensive production doesn't count...

+/- doesn't count because he plays on the panthers...

I doubt anyone on here has seen a large enough body of work from him...

So outside of HYPE and that he is YOUNG, what indicators do we have that he'd be a good fit in Toronto?
- Pen15

He'd certainly be better than some of the defenseman we currently have. Thats enough for me to give him a shot.

Fine. Forget about the fact he's a career minus player (even when he played in russia). What about the fact that he's on the trading block to begin with?

Tallon isn't an idiot. He's gone so far as to name the guys as part of his young core untouchable (gudbranson, huberdeau, etc.). kulikov is only 23yrs old....the fact that he's not part of that 'untradeable' core should bring up a red flag....no?
- Pen15

now this is the argument i agree with (bolded)

the plus minus one I didnt. however.. why is a former first round pick d-man being put on the block for a team who is "rebuilding"? you are 100% correct.. it makes no sense.

whats up with this kid? maybe the kid has plans to return to russia? attitude problem? there is skill there.. but its not progressing as it should

You tell him Oscar........ friggin people get all worked up on pts. alot more to playing defense than scoring pts.
- faceto27

I challenge anyone on here to bring up a stat that indicates Kulikov can play defense.

Fine. Forget about the fact he's a career minus player (even when he played in russia). What about the fact that he's on the trading block to begin with?

Tallon isn't an idiot. He's gone so far as to name the guys as part of his young core untouchable (gudbranson, huberdeau, etc.). kulikov is only 23yrs old....the fact that he's not part of that 'untradeable' core should bring up a red flag....no?
- Pen15

I thought you were talking about Gardiner for a second

now this is the argument i agree with (bolded)

the plus minus one I didnt. however.. why is a former first round pick d-man being put on the block for a team who is "rebuilding"? you are 100% correct.. it makes no sense.

whats up with this kid? maybe the kid has plans to return to russia? attitude problem? there is skill there.. but its not progressing as it should
- Dozzer

I AM CANADIAN

The better question is, is there any other plays a healthy scratch tonight
- Mapleleafs_91

that's not a very good question maple

Leafs need a different system, somebody tell Carlyle
- bobbyisno1

sad post makes me sad

The Panthers are a poop team since forever. What do you expect.

Erik Karlsson of the Sens, who's a ppg player right now is in the -.
- Pecafan Fan

-30 his second year with the Sens - never noticed that before I heard Kyper mention it yesterday.

I challenge anyone on here to bring up a stat that indicates Kulikov can play defense.
- Pen15

Stone Cold

He'd certainly be better than some of the defenseman we currently have. Thats enough for me to give him a shot.
- faceto27

Have you watched Kulikov enough to actually stand behind that statement?

It seems to me that hype has taken over these threads.

Stone Cold
- Mapleleafs_91

So offensive production doesn't count...

+/- doesn't count because he plays on the panthers...

I doubt anyone on here has seen a large enough body of work from him...

So outside of HYPE and that he is YOUNG, what indicators do we have that he'd be a good fit in Toronto?
- Pen15

What indicators do we have that he wouldnt be a good fit in Toronto. JVR was on the block in Philly and came over here and began to live up to his hype. Some players thrive in a new environment. Its all part of the trading gamble.

that's not a very good question maple
- Sammich

players* ... fine

I thought you were talking about Gardiner for a second
- senstroll

They seem to have a similar MO. So do we trade gards for kulikov?

You tell him Oscar........ friggin people get all worked up on pts. alot more to playing defense than scoring pts.
- faceto27

i just tend to give a bit of leeway when looking at a player who has played on a poope team their whole career.

now a "rebuilding" team looking to trade a supposed blue chip d-man who is only 23.... thats where the red flag is for me

sad post makes me sad
- senstroll

i'm sorry, but it's like they aren't even being coached at all

What indicators do we have that he wouldnt be a good fit in Toronto. JVR was on the block in Philly and came over here and began to live up to his hype. Some players thrive in a new environment. Its all part of the trading gamble.
- TonkaPhaneuf

Philly wasn't in the middle of a rebuild. Fla is. Doesn't it worry you that Tallon has gone so far as to name gudbranson and huberdeau untouchable, but is so willing to part with kulikov?

Philly wasn't in the middle of a rebuild. Fla is. Doesn't it worry you that Tallon has gone so far as to name gudbranson and huberdeau untouchable, but is so willing to part with kulikov?
- Pen15

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