these refs sure seem to have a good team, i have never seen them play though

who is their best player?

You can whine about it all you want. Its been a rule since before you were alive.... There have been plenty of other calls/non calls to complain about in the last 2 weeks...... I would give this one up....
- jribout

Yeah, why would anyone want to discuss rule changes that make sense?

Go back and read where I explicitly acknowledged it was the right call as it stands. Should everything in the NHL's rulebook be beyond reproach now?

You tell me.... they passed you as well tonight then
- jribout

Based on their performance this November, I feel they have a legitimate shot at the cup.

these refs sure seem to have a good team, i have never seen them play though

who is their best player?
- Jurco_28

I know he's retired but Kerry Fraser stands out.

Hope he died fast. That fire looked furious.

Yeah, why would anyone want to discuss rule changes that make sense?

Go back and read where I explicitly acknowledged it was the right call as it stands. Should everything in the NHL's rulebook be beyond reproach now?
- Leeman4Gilmour

Because it doesn't make sense mostly. You play the puck......that's the object of the game.

these refs sure seem to have a good team, i have never seen them play though

who is their best player?
- Jurco_28

The one in the leafs game that night

Based on their performance this November, I feel they have a legitimate shot at the cup.
- golfingsince

So your saying the Bruins are the early favourite this year?

Based on their performance this November, I feel they have a legitimate shot at the cup.
- golfingsince

So your saying the Bruins are the early favourite this year?
- jribout

The force is strong in Jacobs.

- lumlums

beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't kick Kaley outta bed

I do enjoy Alison Brie. Rachel Bilson is very much my type.
- lumlums

Both very classy, very beautiful. One that is along those similar lines is Kelly Preston.

Because it doesn't make sense mostly. You play the puck......that's the object of the game.
- golfingsince

And, yet, in a battle for the puck along the boards, you can't bury your opponent with a crosscheck, even if you manage to touch the puck several times.

There are rules that outline how you can take out an opposing player, and not all methods all equally permissible, no matter what the circumstances. It's a weird exception to the standard of tripping that only applies in this narrow context. It's a flawed rule.

Even if the defender makes contact with the puck, he takes the attacker out illegally, so that he can't recover it. Diving for the puck does not establish meaningful possession for the defender in any sense of the word.

I know he's retired but Kerry Fraser stands out.
- golfingsince

Considering the amount of whining from the losing team of the 2011 Stanley Cup its ironic to have Vancouver fans chirping us about being upset with the refs. Man the Canuck fans were so upset they nearly started a riot. Oh wait.....

Hope he died fast. That fire looked furious.
- Pikey Fan

Well they were driving fast than the car went out of control is a furious manner.

And, yet, in a battle for the puck along the boards, you can't bury your opponent with a crosscheck, even if you manage to touch the puck several times.

There are rules that outline how you can take out an opposing player, and not all methods all equally permissible, no matter what the circumstances. It's a weird exception to the standard of tripping that only applies in this narrow context. It's a flawed rule.

Even if the defender makes contact with the puck, he takes the attacker out illegally, so that he can't recover it. Diving for the puck does not establish meaningful possession for the defender in any sense of the word.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Right, because the attempt is to play the player not the puck. Is it really that difficult to understand?

Considering the amount of whining from the losing team of the 2011 Stanley Cup its ironic to have Vancouver fans chirping us about being upset with the refs. Man the Canuck fans were so upset they nearly started a riot. Oh wait.....
- jribout

It was fun. You should try it sometime.

Both very classy, very beautiful. One that is along those similar lines is Kelly Preston.
- GCHonda

Definitely too old for me, GC

And, yet, in a battle for the puck along the boards, you can't bury your opponent with a crosscheck, even if you manage to touch the puck several times.

There are rules that outline how you can take out an opposing player, and not all methods all equally permissible, no matter what the circumstances. It's a weird exception to the standard of tripping that only applies in this narrow context. It's a flawed rule.

Even if the defender makes contact with the puck, he takes the attacker out illegally, so that he can't recover it. Diving for the puck does not establish meaningful possession for the defender in any sense of the word.
- Leeman4Gilmour

So if a Toronto player was standing in the slot with the puck and with the follow through of his shot tripped a player for the other team you would expect the goal to get called back because of the trip...... should they change the rule about no high sticking if it is the follow through of your shot

Right, because the attempt is to play the player not the puck. Is it really that difficult to understand?
- golfingsince

Does it matter what you're attempting to do if you do it illegally?

Here's another example: you are racing for a loose puck and you skate to it obstructing the other player's path. This is interference even if you are, after all, going for the puck first and foremost.

Does it matter what you're attempting to do if you do it illegally?

Here's another example: you are racing for a loose puck and you skate to it obstructing the other player's path. This is interference even if you are, after all, going for the puck first and foremost.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Umm, no.

Definitely too old for me, GC
- lumlums

She can be your cougar

With HH out of commission we need somebody to keep the train going.
- AdamFrench

Two For Truth??

Everything ok in here or do I have to bring out the ban hamm...... Oh shoot they haven't given it to me yet.

So if a Toronto player was standing in the slot with the puck and with the follow through of his shot tripped a player for the other team you would expect the goal to get called back because of the trip...... should they change the rule about no high sticking if it is the follow through of your shot
- jribout

First of all, if you are taking a shot, you are clearly in possession of the puck, controlling it and the play. Again, a desperate dive for the puck shouldn't equate to possession.

In any case, you're taking out the other guy, not allowing him to even have a chance at recovering the puck.

Secondly, I think there are good reasons to penalize high sticks on the follow through. My understanding is that USA Hockey does not follow the exemption for high sticks on the follow through. So it's not like the NHL is the only precedent here.

Other leagues can, and regularly do, disagree with the almighty NHL.

Incidentally, that Gretzky high stick on Gilmour that we all like to whine about so much could be argued to be a follow through. In fact, Fraser alleges that Gilmour himself told him it was a follow through immediately after being clipped.