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ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 1 @ 12:55 PM ET
What I find funny is every year he gets worst at UFA. He went from PAP to Boyes and now to Bouchard. If he kept PAP from the beginning our top six would be a lot better off and trading another top six forward wouldn't be such a problem.
- mighty13duck


It makes no sense. Like many have written, sign one good player instead of 3 or 4 crap guys. Garth is always reacting and never proactive. People got on me because I did not like the Regin signing. FA just started and you are signing Regin? Have a plan ready to go and be aggressive. Know the prospects you want to keep and who you want to move. I'm starting to think maybe Wang is not as tight with the money as some might thing. I doubt Wang wants to spend a lot but it may not be as bad as it seems.
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Dec 1 @ 12:58 PM ET
It makes no sense. Like many have written, sign one good player instead of 3 or 4 crap guys. Garth is always reacting and never proactive. People got on me because I did not like the Regin signing. FA just started and you are signing Regin? Have a plan ready to go and be aggressive. Know the prospects you want to keep and who you want to move.
- ses111

Staple said if the season continues the way it is (Which it will) Vanek will be traded. Ths means next year we will have no Moulson or Vanek, which means not only will our d be atrocious but our offense as well. Isles should trade this years pick and get Mcdavid next year, it seems thats hat were headed for.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Dec 1 @ 1:02 PM ET
True and I'm sure he'd fetch a good return based on his past performance. And maybe it would sent a message to the other children on the team that its time to grow up and play and act like Men.

Problem is. You cant trust Snow to get the proper return for anyone we let go.

- SCLI

I wouldn't be quick to trade Hammer. He has shown too much up to this point to move him for the sake of doing so. Solid d-men are rare commodities. Hammer just needs to be sat down in a room and be forced to watch video of how he played in the playoffs. I think he needs a reminder of what it takes to be a true top pair d-man in the NHL.
gaf92
New York Islanders
Location: Wendell, NC
Joined: 01.15.2011

Dec 1 @ 1:02 PM ET
I guess i'm in the minority when it comes to Hamonic. I see someone who sees the same things we do and the result is he is just trying to do too much.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Dec 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
Staple said if the season continues the way it is (Which it will) Vanek will be traded. Ths means next year we will have no Moulson or Vanek, which means not only will our d be atrocious but our offense as well. Isles should trade this years pick and get Mcdavid next year, it seems thats hat were headed for.
- mighty13duck

He'll be able to flip Vanek for close to what he gave up to get him. At least a first and a good prospect. Truthfully, I hope they re-sign him, but they'll get something for him if they move him at the deadline. Moulson was never going to be re-signed. That was obvious.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
Staple said if the season continues the way it is (Which it will) Vanek will be traded. Ths means next year we will have no Moulson or Vanek, which means not only will our d be atrocious but our offense as well. Isles should trade this years pick and get Mcdavid next year, it seems thats hat were headed for.
- mighty13duck


Isles having to trade Vanek will cause lots of laughs around the league. It has to be done though. Isles better to be ready to overpay like crazy in FA this offseason to have any chance.
kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Dec 1 @ 1:20 PM ET
Staple said if the season continues the way it is (Which it will) Vanek will be traded. Ths means next year we will have no Moulson or Vanek, which means not only will our d be atrocious but our offense as well. Isles should trade this years pick and get Mcdavid next year, it seems thats hat were headed for.
- mighty13duck

You could get Moulson back in summer if you're willing to pay. I would try and trade Vanek at the deadline (if he won't sign) for a defenseman (who isn't a rental) and a pick. Hopefully Strome and Nelson will score some goals if playing top 6 minutes...
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Dec 1 @ 1:21 PM ET
Snow's in the hot seat.

The 5 yr rebuild is a bust.

The prospects (if they pan out) are still as much as 2-3-4 yrs away from making positive contributions. I guess Strome is the closest and could contribute something this yr or next. DeHaan? I have no faith in.

Now we'll see exactly what Snow is made out of. Does he panic & pull off another useless Moulson for Vanek trade?

Does he trade away another top prospect (Nino for lesser value?)

Does he Stay True to the Course? And rely on the waiver wire and next yrs draft?

Or does he step up and make the deals that really launch this team to the next level? IF.......Thats even possible @ this point!

We have the pieces to make trades. This organization has to start understanding that OUR players are commodities. Not friends and not Children. This is a business, not a kindergarten, not a country club. Start treating these guys like men. You dont produce you get moved.

Snow should be on extremely thin Ice. If he isnt. Wang should be arrested for impersonating an NHL Owner.
The Isles should be interested in Dustin Byfuglien if in fact he is on the trade block.

They should be interested in Kane also if rumors are true that he to is on the block.

Instead we sign Josh Bailey to a long term contract and bring in players like Regin and Bouchard. And resign Nabby who's best days are well behind him.

We should run and run fast away from trading for Miller. He's on the other side of the slope. Down hill. Dont need him dont want him

- SCLI

Snow's not on the hot seat. That's the problem. He has no pressure from Wang to ice a winning, competitive team. Mediocrity is accepted in Isles Country. If it wasn't, Snow and Cappy would have both been gone already.
ziggy_skalica
Joined: 07.11.2009

Dec 1 @ 1:30 PM ET
Staple said if the season continues the way it is (Which it will) Vanek will be traded. Ths means next year we will have no Moulson or Vanek, which means not only will our d be atrocious but our offense as well. Isles should trade this years pick and get Mcdavid next year, it seems thats hat were headed for.
- mighty13duck


how does Mcdavid improve D and G positions?
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Dec 1 @ 1:39 PM ET
how does Mcdavid improve D and G positions?
- ziggy_skalica

He doesn't but if we were to get the 1st overall next year and kept the pick, you wouldn't draft Mcdavid but would draft a goalie or d man?
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Dec 1 @ 1:48 PM ET
I wouldn't be quick to trade Hammer. He has shown too much up to this point to move him for the sake of doing so. Solid d-men are rare commodities. Hammer just needs to be sat down in a room and be forced to watch video of how he played in the playoffs. I think he needs a reminder of what it takes to be a true top pair d-man in the NHL.
- Jethro09


Coaching. I just don't think it's a coincidence that so many of these guys show flashes, then regress, then show flashes, then regress again. We know there's talent on this team, and we know it can even show up when it matters. There are obviously holes on the team that will prevent it from ever being a true force until those holes are filled. But that doesn't explain why the whole team just goes into hibernation for months at a time. They're better than they've been.

I think the team needs a coach that (a) will implement a responsible system that will give the players a bit more confidence in a given situation (knowing where they should be rather than looking around with three guys covering the same forward) and (b) will know when to nurture and when to drop the hammer on some of these guys.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Dec 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
Coaching. I just don't think it's a coincidence that so many of these guys show flashes, then regress, then show flashes, then regress again. We know there's talent on this team, and we know it can even show up when it matters. There are obviously holes on the team that will prevent it from ever being a true force until those holes are filled. But that doesn't explain why the whole team just goes into hibernation for months at a time. They're better than they've been.

I think the team needs a coach that (a) will implement a responsible system that will give the players a bit more confidence in a given situation (knowing where they should be rather than looking around with three guys covering the same forward) and (b) will know when to nurture and when to drop the hammer on some of these guys.

- UIF

I agree. As bad as the "D" is on paper and as unappealing as the goaltending is, this team isn't THIS bad. The biggest issues are the mental mistakes and lapses that happen game in and game out. Same mental collapses every game. Let up late in periods. Fail to come out strong to start periods. Let up after scoring goals. Fail to hold late leads. These are mental mistakes that are made by players not properly prepared and not held accountable for laziness. That falls on coaching.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 1 @ 2:00 PM ET
Coaching. I just don't think it's a coincidence that so many of these guys show flashes, then regress, then show flashes, then regress again. We know there's talent on this team, and we know it can even show up when it matters. There are obviously holes on the team that will prevent it from ever being a true force until those holes are filled. But that doesn't explain why the whole team just goes into hibernation for months at a time. They're better than they've been.

I think the team needs a coach that (a) will implement a responsible system that will give the players a bit more confidence in a given situation (knowing where they should be rather than looking around with three guys covering the same forward) and (b) will know when to nurture and when to drop the hammer on some of these guys.

- UIF


It is so clear a new coach is needed and instead we will get panicked trades.
Spartiarti
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 09.04.2008

Dec 1 @ 2:11 PM ET
That shows the character of this team. They take lead with 1:30 left and get a pp. so they just assumed they won. It's amazing how with each loss they learn nothing.

Only bright spot was Nilsson was great. He made some. Big saves early in game and huge save at end of game another blown defensive game they would have least to wash winning in regulation.


Love the nickname pullhim. Anyone thing cappy will come back and start Poulin and Tuesday. I do.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 1 @ 2:14 PM ET
No need for an argument. I have read several posts here and articles in local newspapers that offer "credit" and some sort of recognition to Snow for drafting talent as well as rebuilding the Islanders. I was just offering my objective opinion of him. Like I said, wasn't looking to instigate an argument and this certainly is not a Rangers-Icelanders thing since we have have our own problems. I say that because any time a person who is not an Islander fan posts something negative about your beloved disorganization, a moronic reply along lines of "Rangers suck...what about Holik, Gomez, Drury, Kamensky, Quintal, etc" is spewed even though it has nothing to do with the original post.
- Blueshirts16

Why make that post? Do you think anyone here is applauding Snow on his GM'ing skills? Unfackingreal
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 1 @ 2:15 PM ET
I don't get it. Most teams that are poop you can look at their draft record and see why. The Oil, Flames etc have had long stretchs of terrible drafting.

The Islanders just might be the worst drafting team of the past 20 years. Most first rounders have not worked out and past the first round they have not developed anything (other than Hamonic) in the past 10-15 years. A lot of people thought they were going the right direction, but they appear to be regressing. Hope they clean house.

- Iggysbff

Yeah, them Oilers are looking good. Did you really make this post?
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Dec 1 @ 2:35 PM ET
I agree. As bad as the "D" is on paper and as unappealing as the goaltending is, this team isn't THIS bad. The biggest issues are the mental mistakes and lapses that happen game in and game out. Same mental collapses every game. Let up late in periods. Fail to come out strong to start periods. Let up after scoring goals. Fail to hold late leads. These are mental mistakes that are made by players not properly prepared and not held accountable for laziness. That falls on coaching.
- Jethro09


The islanders aren't this bad I agree. They lost whatever edge they had in the spring last year. But defense and goaltending then was also a problem. We've beaten the dead horse 100 times. Snow had a horrendous offseason and in my opinion made a poor decision to trade Moulson for an expiring contract.

The coaching staff in my opinion is at fault but to me the axe should fall on Snow. He didnt set up his staff and team for success when there weren't any excuses for that to happen anymore.

Problem with our owner is that if the isles were even to fathom thinking about hiring a new head coach that's legit and let him bring in his own staff, Wang won't pay three guys to do nothing mid season. Capuano probably has at least next year left on his contract I would think since he just got extended this offseason
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Dec 1 @ 2:36 PM ET
That shows the character of this team. They take lead with 1:30 left and get a pp. so they just assumed they won. It's amazing how with each loss they learn nothing.

Only bright spot was Nilsson was great. He made some. Big saves early in game and huge save at end of game another blown defensive game they would have least to wash winning in regulation.


Love the nickname pullhim. Anyone thing cappy will come back and start Poulin and Tuesday. I do.

- Spartiarti


Nilsson was good but he HAS to stop that tying goal. I know the PP was horrendous and lazy but you can't let someone beat you 5 hole from there.
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Dec 1 @ 2:50 PM ET
That shows the character of this team. They take lead with 1:30 left and get a pp. so they just assumed they won. It's amazing how with each loss they learn nothing.

Only bright spot was Nilsson was great. He made some. Big saves early in game and huge save at end of game another blown defensive game they would have least to wash winning in regulation.


Love the nickname pullhim. Anyone thing cappy will come back and start Poulin and Tuesday. I do.

- Spartiarti

yes. I am glad that people are catching on that Poulin is not a good goalie. Last year we blamed he didn't get enough starts, whats the excuse this year? Yes the defense is atrocious but hes just as bad. This offseason I want a real goalie with Nillson on backup. Nillson is a big goalie and with good positioning he could be a very solid goalie.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Dec 1 @ 2:53 PM ET
So happy I was in AC and decided to miss my first islander game in I don't know how many years? How do you give up a short handed goal with the lead with a minute left? How does this coach stillhave a job? Wtf is going on with this club? Unbelievable. Once again the joke of the nhl. Good job snow. Milbury be damned you are quickly becoming a legend in your own right. When vanek doesn't resign it will hopefully be your last act of incompetence. What an absolute joke.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Dec 1 @ 3:12 PM ET
Snow's not on the hot seat. That's the problem. He has no pressure from Wang to ice a winning, competitive team. Mediocrity is accepted in Isles Country. If it wasn't, Snow and Cappy would have both been gone already.
- Jethro09



Your right Jethro. I should have been clearer. Snows in the hot seat with fans. He should be in the hot seat with Wang but we all know about Wang. Wang is a sorry excuse for an NHL owner
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:32 PM ET
I think he hit the nail on the head... that's exactly what it would cost... although I said the pick is a round or two lower and it's conditional on him signing an extension... I dunno why you think he's nuts, that's def what it would cost...
- Dedshark


Because that is way too much!!!

You would give up a first, Donovan and Poulin for Miller???

Plus... I don't think the goaltending is that bad.

Fix the defence... that would make the goalie look a lot better.

SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Dec 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
That shows the character of this team. They take lead with 1:30 left and get a pp. so they just assumed they won. It's amazing how with each loss they learn nothing.

Only bright spot was Nilsson was great. He made some. Big saves early in game and huge save at end of game another blown defensive game they would have least to wash winning in regulation.


Love the nickname pullhim. Anyone thing cappy will come back and start Poulin and Tuesday. I do.

- Spartiarti


Because they are treated like children. Regardless of the out come of the games. Regardless of how awful they play. Its always the same thing from the coach and GM. "They tried hard and gave it their best effort" , "Have patience, they will develop". "Stay the course"

Soft ball approach over and over. Well I have news for Mr Snow. Your course has run you aground. High and dry.

No accountability. No urgency. For and from the players or management. Always wait, wait and wait some more. BS.

This team $ucks and it will continue to $uck until we get someone with testicoli's to turn these kids into men. Its past time. They have been in the NHL long enough. They arent teenagers anymore. They get paid to produce.
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
I guess I was wrong about Cappy being gone by December 1st!!!

Sorry guys... this is one time I wish I was right.

jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Dec 1 @ 3:39 PM ET
Because they are treated like children. Regardless of the out come of the games. Regardless of how awful they play. Its always the same thing from the coach and GM. "They tried hard and gave it their best effort" , "Have patience, they will develop". "Stay the course"

Soft ball approach over and over. Well I have news for Mr Snow. Your course has run you aground. High and dry.

No accountability. No urgency. For and from the players or management. Always wait, wait and wait some more. BS.

This team $ucks and it will continue to $uck until we get someone with testicoli's to turn these kids into men. Its past time. They have been in the NHL long enough. They arent teenagers anymore. They get paid to produce.

- SCLI



Well I think we know Snow will be staying... so the best we can do is fire Cappy, and hopefully we can find some NHL defenceman to help out this team.

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