Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/30/13 @ Nashville
- bmeltzer

1 goal should win it

Bottom line for me is if phaneuf makes the flyers a better team and gives them a better shot at winning the cup I don't care what they pay him.
- moylander

Obviously we're not the ones writing the check so as far as that goes, neither of us care. However, we're in a salary cap era and you have to consider the more we would theoretically give Phaneuf, the less we would be able to pay the rest of the team. It be much harder to re-sign guys like Couturier and Schenn if we're paying Phaneuf 7.5 million a season. So take a moment and ponder that.

If thats what FA really is, Flyers should just stay away.

If the chance at a really prime piece comes across fine, but Phaneuf is far from that "piece" imo. Too inconsistent for that money, and will be hitting a decline near the end of that contract.
- flyer_nutter

Hey if hes under 35 when signed they can force him to "retire" and not hurt the cap space.

Went back to watch see what Morin did to get kicked out of the game last night. He did leave the bench as the altercation was clearing up. He was given a roughing penalty & game misconduct.

Camera wasn't focused on him so can't say if he actually did anything.

Obviously we're not the ones writing the check so as far as that goes, neither of us care. However, we're in a salary cap era and you have to consider the more we would theoretically give Phaneuf, the less we would be able to pay the rest of the team. It be much harder to re-sign guys like Couturier and Schenn if we're paying Phaneuf 7.5 million a season. So take a moment and ponder that.
- TonyBazz

28 yr old Phaneuf at $7 million vs 38 yr old Timonen at $6 million.... Cap will be much higher in 2+ seasons when couts / schenn will be cashing in bigger paychecks. Most of the rest of the team is locked up long term. I'm done pondering.

Per Flyers facebook page Mason getting the start tonight.

Homer is getting the contract ready now
7 yrs, 50M
- Marc D

If Streit is worth $5.25M to Homer, Phaneuf will be an $8M/year dman.

28 yr old Phaneuf at $7 million vs 38 yr old Timonen at $6 million.... Cap will be much higher in 2+ seasons when couts / schenn will be cashing in bigger paychecks. Most of the rest of the team is locked up long term. I'm done pondering.
- moylander

Mesz money too.

Plus, in a year someone will trade for Prongers rights to reach the cap floor. Same cap hit but the actual salary drops way down.

Flyers cap problems are overstated. Hartnell is the only deal that really worries me.

Mesz money too.

Plus, in a year someone will trade for Prongers rights to reach the cap floor. Same cap hit but the actual salary drops way down.

Flyers cap problems are overstated. Hartnell is the only deal that really worries me.
- hereticpride

Completely agree.

If we try and sign every player cheaply we'll sign no one. Phaneuf brings a strong game to the table. I think he'd help this team in a big way even if he's slightly 'overpaid'. Jmo.

28 yr old Phaneuf at $7 million vs 38 yr old Timonen at $6 million.... Cap will be much higher in 2+ seasons when couts / schenn will be cashing in bigger paychecks. Most of the rest of the team is locked up long term. I'm done pondering.
- moylander

The only problem with that will be filling out the rest of the team, if they do sign Phaneuf. The projected cap for next year is around 67.7 million. So if Phaneuf signed for 7 mil cap hit, they would have 9 forwards and 5 defensemen accounting for 61,341,429 of their cap. That only leaves 6,258,571 to sign 9 guys. Obviously that's assuming no one gets moved in the off-season

Went back to watch see what Morin did to get kicked out of the game last night. He did leave the bench as the altercation was clearing up. He was given a roughing penalty & game misconduct.

Camera wasn't focused on him so can't say if he actually did anything.
- ob18

typical flyers player

If Streit is worth $5.25M to Homer, Phaneuf will be an $8M/year dman.
- Tomahawk

Hartnell and Phaneuf together = priceless

The only problem with that will be filling out the rest of the team, if they do sign Phaneuf. The projected cap for next year is around 67.7 million. So if Phaneuf signed for 7 mil cap hit, they would have 9 forwards and 5 defensemen accounting for 61,341,429 of their cap. That only leaves 6,258,571 to sign 9 guys. Obviously that's assuming no one gets moved in the off-season
- fecondo

If they add Phaneuf one of LSchenn or Grossman is definitely gone. There's some cap room.

With the addition and solid play of Downie I do see one of Hartnell or Simmonds ending up on the hot seat. Probably Simmonds given his play. They have Laughton/McGinn to replace him probably effectively. Certainly cheaply.

If they add Phaneuf one of LSchenn or Grossman is definitely gone. There's some cap room.

With the addition and solid play of Downie I do see one of Hartnell or Simmonds ending up on the hot seat. Probably Simmonds given his play. They have Laughton/McGinn to replace him probably effectively. Certainly cheaply.
- hereticpride

I think Simmonds has played much better the last two weeks or so. Personally, I'd like to get rid of hartnell, I don't think I can handle watching him for another 5 years.

Per Flyers facebook page Mason getting the start tonight.
- hereticpride

Really. Interesting. He deserves the work, but I wonder why the backto back. Emery hasn't been bad.

Really. Interesting. He deserves the work, but I wonder why the backto back. Emery hasn't been bad.
- Hextall271

I'd really love if they could lock-up Emery long term, as a back-up guy who can step in when needed.

Unfortunately I think he bolts after this season. Realistically a few teams can be looking at getting a #1, not a time split guy.

Namely Calgary, Edmonton, Florida, Islanders, Winnipeg and Minny with the uncertainty of Harding's health going forward.

28 yr old Phaneuf at $7 million vs 38 yr old Timonen at $6 million.... Cap will be much higher in 2+ seasons when couts / schenn will be cashing in bigger paychecks. Most of the rest of the team is locked up long term. I'm done pondering.
- moylander

Ok ponder this then... Downie is a ufa, B Schenn makes 850k this season and is a RFA at the end of the season. Think Schenn won't make close to 4? Giroux is getting a 5 million dollar raise next season, Adam Hall is a UFA, Steve Mason makes 1.6 a season, he's gonna get a raise at the end of the season when his contract is up, Emery is a UFA at the end of the season, so they need to look for a backup goalie. So think twice about blindly saying just give overrated Phaneuf a contract that could cripple the Flyers long term without knowing the numbers. Lots of players are in line for raises NEXT season, not in "two plus" seasons when the cap will be higher. Phaneuf isn't worth 7.5 million just because Timonen and Meszaros will be off the books next season. That available cap room is already spoken for and some.

If they add Phaneuf one of LSchenn or Grossman is definitely gone. There's some cap room.

With the addition and solid play of Downie I do see one of Hartnell or Simmonds ending up on the hot seat. Probably Simmonds given his play. They have Laughton/McGinn to replace him probably effectively. Certainly cheaply.
- hereticpride

Its a good topic. I would prefer Grossmann out of the two.

Really wouldnt suprise me if Luke Schenn isn't on the team next season. I'll make a bold statement that Oliver could probably provide the same level of play, and the intangibles.

I think Simmonds has played much better the last two weeks or so. Personally, I'd like to get rid of hartnell, I don't think I can handle watching him for another 5 years.
- fecondo

I think Hartnell would have already been gone if he didn't have a no trade clause. He really likes it here and I don't see him waiving it anytime soon. If they do add another big name forward to play with Giroux (Vanek maybe), Hartnell would most likely slide down to the third line and play with Couturier. 4.75 mil for a third liner, is a ripoff ugh!!!

Ok ponder this then... Downie is a ufa, B Schenn makes 850k this season and is a RFA at the end of the season. Think Schenn won't make close to 4? Giroux is getting a 5 million dollar raise next season, Adam Hall is a UFA, Steve Mason makes 1.6 a season, he's gonna get a raise at the end of the season when his contract is up, Emery is a UFA at the end of the season, so they need to look for a backup goalie. So think twice about blindly saying just give overrated Phaneuf a contract that could cripple the Flyers long term without knowing the numbers. Lots of players are in line for raises NEXT season, not in "two plus" seasons when the cap will be higher. Phaneuf isn't worth 7.5 million just because Timonen and Meszaros will be off the books next season. That available cap room is already spoken for and some.
- TonyBazz

Lol @ schenn making close to 4. Personally, I think they'll give him a deal thats slightly higher than what they gave Coots. I'd like to see a deal around 2 years at 2.25/year.

Ok ponder this then... Downie is a ufa, B Schenn makes 850k this season and is a RFA at the end of the season. Think Schenn won't make close to 4? Giroux is getting a 5 million dollar raise next season, Adam Hall is a UFA, Steve Mason makes 1.6 a season, he's gonna get a raise at the end of the season when his contract is up, Emery is a UFA at the end of the season, so they need to look for a backup goalie. So think twice about blindly saying just give overrated Phaneuf a contract that could cripple the Flyers long term without knowing the numbers. Lots of players are in line for raises NEXT season, not in "two plus" seasons when the cap will be higher. Phaneuf isn't worth 7.5 million just because Timonen and Meszaros will be off the books next season. That available cap room is already spoken for and some.
- TonyBazz

The Flyers will have the following for the next few seasons:
Hartnell: 4.75
LeCavalier: 4.5
Streit: 5.25

All of the following will become even more questionable as time goes on. I dont want to add another overpaid player to that current mix, just because "he is the best thing available". Giving up big money in FA is fine, but you do it for the right players. I dont think Phaneuf is worth a mega type contract.

The only names I would really target via free agency, and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than Phaneuf, are Girardi and Pitkanen.

The Flyers D, will not be re-vamped in one season. Yandle is a reasonable contract for an upper-tier puck mover.

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Good news: Weber is out tonight.

Bad news: We are not playing the Predators tonight.

edit: they fixed it

The only problem with that will be filling out the rest of the team, if they do sign Phaneuf. The projected cap for next year is around 67.7 million. So if Phaneuf signed for 7 mil cap hit, they would have 9 forwards and 5 defensemen accounting for 61,341,429 of their cap. That only leaves 6,258,571 to sign 9 guys. Obviously that's assuming no one gets moved in the off-season
- fecondo

I forgot to account for Pronger"s ltir money... So really its not as bad as I originally thought

I think Hartnell would have already been gone if he didn't have a no trade clause. He really likes it here and I don't see him waiving it anytime soon. If they do add another big name forward to play with Giroux (Vanek maybe), Hartnell would most likely slide down to the third line and play with Couturier. 4.75 mil for a third liner, is a ripoff ugh!!!
- TonyBazz

Vanek scares me. I think he is a guy who will get paid through the ass, and I dont like him.

I like looking down to the next tier of players, who often get a lot more reasonable contracts. I dont see a good enough player to give an unreal offer to.

A guy like Cammalleri could be a good choice, on a cheap deal. I realise more than anything they need that top tier talent, but I dont see that as being Vanek, Heatley, and even though Gaborik is attractive, the injury history worries me.

The Flyers will have the following for the next few seasons:
Hartnell: 4.75
LeCavalier: 4.5
Streit: 5.25

All of the following will become even more questionable as time goes on. I dont want to add another overpaid player to that current mix, just because "he is the best thing available". Giving up big money in FA is fine, but you do it for the right players. I dont think Phaneuf is worth a mega type contract.

The only names I would really target via free agency, and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than Phaneuf, are Girardi and Pitkanen.

The Flyers D, will not be re-vamped in one season. Yandle is a reasonable contract for an upper-tier puck mover.
- flyer_nutter

Or, with the cap around 75million in two years, those deals probably won't look as bad. Its scary to think about the kinds of deals gm's will be handing out to reach the cap floor.