Mark Fraser.
- peddy-93

Probably. I guess we're back to tank nation, eh?

Probably. I guess we're back to tank nation, eh?
- A_Tree

Connor McDavid

- A_Tree

True story...

Back when I was fifteen and living in Manitoulin Island, all my friends had the Super Nintendo and the Sega Genesis.

I wanted to be cool too but since I didn't make much money, I couldn't afford them so I settled for the psuedo-"16-bit" system.

Who was I kidding? After playing Keith Courage In Alpha Zones for an hour, I'd just end up going to their houses all the time to play real consoles.

True story...

Back when I was fifteen and living in Manitoulin Island, all my friends had the Super Nintendo and the Sega Genesis.

I wanted to be cool too but since I didn't make much money, I couldn't afford them so I settled for the psuedo-"16-bit" system.

Who was I kidding? After playing Keith Courage In Alpha Zones for an hour, I'd just end up going to their houses all the time to play real consoles.

- Dot-Tee

Oh the memories...

Why should Dion take a discount to stay with the Leafs? The cap is going up big time, he knows it. He should sign for $7m x 8 years because this is his time to cash in. Him taking anything under $6 is worse for him. He has about 3-4 years where he may even be worth $7 (to the Leafs) since he will be your #1 guy. But, after that Reilly will become your main minute muncher. Everyone knows it. If he takes a 3-4 year deal he has zero leverage in his next deal. Heck, he may get injured and not even get another deal after!

Dion's time for a big payday is now. From the Leafs or from another team. Problem for the Leafs is that they don't have anyone out there to replace him if he walks. It would set your team back significantly and by the time you recover on D, your F will be too old.
- riceroni

they have to replace 4 other D, might as well make it 5

I understand Doz, but Franson leaving makes Gardiner relevant again. To "rid" ourselves of Phaneuf would throw us back years. In all seriousness, who do you replace him with???
- A_Tree

if the current group isnt one that you belive can win it all.. you cut the pieces loose and start over.

the leafs will win a cup far sooner that way. we dont need another muskoka five situation.. and its already close to happening.. if franson goes through arbitration and phaneuf gets his deal....and gardiner is kept (due for a raise this year as well)

kessel = sundin (the only one worth the money)
lupul = tucker (produces but it streaky)
phaneuf = mccabe (over paid for what he brings
franson = kubina (produces but isnt worth the dollar figure)
gardiner = kaberle (one dimensional point producing d-man who is streaky)

these guys will hord up cap space meaning when its time to pay out to guys klike kadri and rielly and whomever else comes along the leafs wont be able to afford to do it.

if the current group isnt one that you belive can win it all.. you cut the pieces loose and start over.

the leafs will win a cup far sooner that way. we dont need another muskoka five situation.. and its already close to happening.. if franson goes through arbitration and phaneuf gets his deal....and gardiner is kept (due for a raise this year as well)

kessel = sundin (the only one worth the money)
lupul = tucker (produces but it streaky)
phaneuf = mccabe (over paid for what he brings
franson = kubina (produces but isnt worth the dollar figure)
gardiner = kaberle (one dimensional point producing d-man who is streaky)

these guys will hord up cap space meaning when its time to pay out to guys klike kadri and rielly and whomever else comes along the leafs wont be able to afford to do it.
- Dozzer

Is it safe to run amok yet?

if the current group isnt one that you belive can win it all.. you cut the pieces loose and start over.

the leafs will win a cup far sooner that way. we dont need another muskoka five situation.. and its already close to happening.. if franson goes through arbitration and phaneuf gets his deal....and gardiner is kept (due for a raise this year as well)

kessel = sundin (the only one worth the money)
lupul = tucker (produces but it streaky)
phaneuf = mccabe (over paid for what he brings
franson = kubina (produces but isnt worth the dollar figure)
gardiner = kaberle (one dimensional point producing d-man who is streaky)

these guys will hord up cap space meaning when its time to pay out to guys klike kadri and rielly and whomever else comes along the leafs wont be able to afford to do it.
- Dozzer

Some are saying with the new tv deal and projected revenue that by the next 8 to ten years it can go up to a 100 mil cap. Doubt it though but close I guess.

Is it safe to run amok yet?
- Dot-Tee

No, get out.

the leafs need a new defensive coach

if the current group isnt one that you belive can win it all.. you cut the pieces loose and start over.

the leafs will win a cup far sooner that way. we dont need another muskoka five situation.. and its already close to happening.. if franson goes through arbitration and phaneuf gets his deal....and gardiner is kept (due for a raise this year as well)

kessel = sundin (the only one worth the money)
lupul = tucker (produces but it streaky)
phaneuf = mccabe (over paid for what he brings
franson = kubina (produces but isnt worth the dollar figure)
gardiner = kaberle (one dimensional point producing d-man who is streaky)

these guys will hord up cap space meaning when its time to pay out to guys klike kadri and rielly and whomever else comes along the leafs wont be able to afford to do it.
- Dozzer

ya im inclined to agree with certain players. no need to "tank" but it may make sense to trade a guy like franson or kulemin at the deadline for the right return if they arent going to be signed long term. although i still would like them to keep franson if possible.

if the current group isnt one that you belive can win it all.. you cut the pieces loose and start over.

the leafs will win a cup far sooner that way. we dont need another muskoka five situation.. and its already close to happening.. if franson goes through arbitration and phaneuf gets his deal....and gardiner is kept (due for a raise this year as well)

kessel = sundin (the only one worth the money)
lupul = tucker (produces but it streaky)
phaneuf = mccabe (over paid for what he brings
franson = kubina (produces but isnt worth the dollar figure)
gardiner = kaberle (one dimensional point producing d-man who is streaky)

these guys will hord up cap space meaning when its time to pay out to guys klike kadri and rielly and whomever else comes along the leafs wont be able to afford to do it.
- Dozzer

McCabe couldn't defend opposing teams best players, Dozz. And you're missing the most obvious ones..

Kadri = Gilmour (greatest leafy leaf of all leafs)
Clarkson = Clarke (pain in the ass that fights and scores 40 goals)

No, get out.
- LeafMan

Some are saying with the new tv deal and projected revenue that by the next 8 to ten years it can go up to a 100 mil cap. Doubt it though but close I guess.
- LeafMan

i've heard that as well.. i dont believe its prudent to build your team based on that projection however

No, get out.
- LeafMan

McCabe couldn't defend opposing teams best players, Dozz. And you're missing the most obvious ones..

Kadri = Gilmour (greatest leafy leaf of all leafs)
Clarkson = Clarke (pain in the ass that fights and scores 40 goals)


- peddy-93

that was his job tho.. to defend top players (mccabe)

and he wasnt great at it.. phaneuf is better.. but not by much.

also clarkson is no clark.. not even close.. wendel was a first overall for a reason.. total package. a core guy.. clarkson is not a core guy

McCabe couldn't defend opposing teams best players, Dozz. And you're missing the most obvious ones..

Kadri = Gilmour (greatest leafy leaf of all leafs)
Clarkson = Clarke (pain in the ass that fights and scores 40 goals)


- peddy-93

Bernier = Potvin (French)

- Dozzer

It was quite a good Howard impersonation.

that was his job tho.. to defend top players (mccabe)

and he wasnt great at it.. phaneuf is better.. but not by much.
- Dozzer

I disagree, playing his best hockey this year, and I truly think this is the real Phaneuf. As for offensive numbers, I think you can put some blame on the Leafs as a team on that, I even put a site of an article talking about Phaneuf a few pages back, maybe you should give it a read.

If you tell me Phaneuf held Crosby/Ovi to 2 pts combined in 3 games I'll take that any day of the week.

McCabe couldn't defend opposing teams best players, Dozz. And you're missing the most obvious ones..

Kadri = Gilmour (greatest leafy leaf of all leafs)
Clarkson = Clarke (pain in the ass that fights and scores 40 goals)


- peddy-93

and another thing.. a wee bit too early to be calling kadri gilmour dont ya think?

that was his job tho.. to defend top players (mccabe)

and he wasnt great at it.. phaneuf is better.. but not by much.

also clarkson is no clark.. not even close.. wendel was a first overall for a reason.. total package. a core guy.. clarkson is not a core guy
- Dozzer

Where's your sarcasm dammit?

It was quite a good Howard impersonation.
- Dot-Tee

and another thing.. a wee bit too early to be calling kadri gilmour dont ya think?
- Dozzer

I forgot the wink didn't I

what ever system that coach is instilling, the Leafs can't or won't execute
so change the damn system or change the coach

Where's your sarcasm dammit?
- peddy-93

I'M GROUCHY TODAY DAMMIT