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the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:48 PM ET
Ooh, I've missed you!
- oniremosewa

oh, you...teehee
oniremosewa
Location: Astute reader.
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 26 @ 4:50 PM ET
Hey, so does Julie still love hockey? Asking for a friend.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Nov 26 @ 5:06 PM ET
"I'm inclined to say that Steve Yzerman didn't have high hopes for his team, in deciding to keep Jonathan Drouin in Halifax and Brent Connolly in Syracuse for the beginning of the season."

You've got this backwards. Not bringing up young kids too early is a direct attempt at having a more competitive team. A tiny, teenaged Drouin is not a better third line option than a proper experienced NHL checking forward. He's still a kid. He needs to play top minutes be effective and it's much better for the current team and for his future development not to play him in the NHL.

It's when teams bring their youngsters up too early that they are not expecting to be competitive. errr tanking. Re: The Great Disgrace(aka Edmonton Oilers)

- Njuice


First let me say I agree with your point

Bolts depth chart had as much with Drouin going back to Halifax as anything else. Panik, Killorn, Tyler Johnson, Palat, even JT Brown had spent the past 2 years in Norfolk/Syracuse earning their way to the bigs. Drouin had a great camp and in most other organizations would have made the club this year, however with our depth (#1 ranked prospect group) Yzerman and Co couldn't make a spot for everyone and Drouin was the "easy" choice and removed Drouin from the pressure of playing right out of the draft and the scoring predictions that were being tossed around.

Bolts learned the lesson having Connolly up straight out of juniors when he clearly wasn't ready. Drouin is showing to be a superior player in Halifax, but he isn't wasting his time either. He's been playing center this year (whereas last year he played wing with Mackinnon) which given the Bolts logjam on the wings could be helpful for the organization down the road and could very well be JD's future spot. Even if he stays at wing, having a little extra versatility later on can do no harm.

One more note regarding Drouin, at 6'1" 190 lbs he's not "tiny". In fact he is still growing but at 190 he's not a skinny runt.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 26 @ 6:17 PM ET
First let me say I agree with your point

Bolts depth chart had as much with Drouin going back to Halifax as anything else. Panik, Killorn, Tyler Johnson, Palat, even JT Brown had spent the past 2 years in Norfolk/Syracuse earning their way to the bigs. Drouin had a great camp and in most other organizations would have made the club this year, however with our depth (#1 ranked prospect group) Yzerman and Co couldn't make a spot for everyone and Drouin was the "easy" choice and removed Drouin from the pressure of playing right out of the draft and the scoring predictions that were being tossed around.

Bolts learned the lesson having Connolly up straight out of juniors when he clearly wasn't ready. Drouin is showing to be a superior player in Halifax, but he isn't wasting his time either. He's been playing center this year (whereas last year he played wing with Mackinnon) which given the Bolts logjam on the wings could be helpful for the organization down the road and could very well be JD's future spot. Even if he stays at wing, having a little extra versatility later on can do no harm.

One more note regarding Drouin, at 6'1" 190 lbs he's not "tiny". In fact he is still growing but at 190 he's not a skinny runt.

- uf1910

Connolly went back to junior the year after he was drafted.
Old Pappy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.06.2006

Nov 26 @ 6:19 PM ET
No more Toronto Sports Network - woooot!
- docmorgan


That's a dirty lie!!!

How come we get the Van announcer doing our Sat games anyway?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 26 @ 6:19 PM ET
I hate Sportsnet
- MTL1

Sportsnet hates you too
Old Pappy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.06.2006

Nov 26 @ 6:21 PM ET
It's so cute when Montreal and Ottawa fans band together to chirp the leafs. It's like two rival gangs putting aside their differences to bring down a fortune 500 company for the greater good of miserable Canadians everywhere.
- PotvinFan



Its more like all the rival news shows fighting with Ron Burgundy. They can't win!!
BooBoo997
Detroit Red Wings
Location: NB
Joined: 01.03.2006

Nov 26 @ 6:24 PM ET
I know Engels will probably ban me (again) because I disagree and have stats to prove it, but how can Subban be the Habs "best defensive Defenceman" and have an average PK time of 0:44 seconds, which is only better than Nathan Beaulieu... who has 0?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

One would think, the best defensive defenceman would be used more in a defensive role.

--

I do think Subban should be on Team Canada, I think he is 80% and 20% defense, but so was Al MacInnis, he turned out alright.
Sheppy99
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.10.2009

Nov 26 @ 6:50 PM ET
No more blackouts? Thats fantastic news
- the_cause2000

So that's why Rogers only donated a measly thousand dollars to my city's local charity for christmas the empty stocking fund. They had 5.2 billion dollars going towards hockey games.

It didn't look THAT bad though.
Tim Hortons donated 40 grand
Irving donated 20 grand

And students at a local high school donated 1500 by donating spare change they had for the last 2 months.

If that weren't enough, this was the first year the telethon had commercials and because it was on a rogers channel, every commercial was for rogers products

I rogers
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 6:52 PM ET
I know Engels will probably ban me (again) because I disagree and have stats to prove it, but how can Subban be the Habs "best defensive Defenceman" and have an average PK time of 0:44 seconds, which is only better than Nathan Beaulieu... who has 0?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

One would think, the best defensive defenceman would be used more in a defensive role.

--

I do think Subban should be on Team Canada, I think he is 80% and 20% defense, but so was Al MacInnis, he turned out alright.

- BooBoo997

Coach decision, Subban gets the most ice time at 5 on 5 and the PP, he has been solid in that role. He is an offensive D, that's for sure. His defensive coverage has improved A LOT in the past year, he is no longer a liability, he is developing into a very solid D with lots of offense.

Probably the best skating D on the Canadian squad, he will be on the team....big ice requires great skaters.
Old Pappy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.06.2006

Nov 26 @ 7:15 PM ET
So that's why Rogers only donated a measly thousand dollars to my city's local charity for christmas the empty stocking fund. They had 5.2 billion dollars going towards hockey games.

It didn't look THAT bad though.
Tim Hortons donated 40 grand
Irving donated 20 grand

And students at a local high school donated 1500 by donating spare change they had for the last 2 months.

If that weren't enough, this was the first year the telethon had commercials and because it was on a rogers channel, every commercial was for rogers products



I rogers

- Sheppy99


Just wait for when this thing morphs into pay per view!
6forpizza
Joined: 11.29.2008

Nov 26 @ 7:17 PM ET
Wait, being ahead in the standings is irrelevant in hockey? Cool! So they're playing for something more abstract, then? Like posterity, or general goodwill?
- oniremosewa



Considering that this is the end of November, then yes, it is irrelevant. Just so you know, playoffs begin in April and the cup is handed out a couple of months after that.
Sheppy99
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.10.2009

Nov 26 @ 7:23 PM ET
Just wait for when this thing morphs into pay per view!

- Old Pappy

probably already in the works

Worst company to have ownership of all of the hockey games. They said CBC would keep HNIC. HA that'll list all of a year or two.
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Nov 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
All this and more in the upcoming book, Things That Have Literally Never Happened.

Enjoy your third-trimester coat hanger abortion of a hockey team.

- oniremosewa

spit take

I'm just so glad you're back
blarneylad
Florida Panthers
Location: Tim , ON
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
So that's why Rogers only donated a measly thousand dollars to my city's local charity for christmas the empty stocking fund. They had 5.2 billion dollars going towards hockey games.

It didn't look THAT bad though.
Tim Hortons donated 40 grand
Irving donated 20 grand

And students at a local high school donated 1500 by donating spare change they had for the last 2 months.

If that weren't enough, this was the first year the telethon had commercials and because it was on a rogers channel, every commercial was for rogers products

I rogers

- Sheppy99

they could of donated nothing

to think that any corporation does things out of the 'goodness' of their hearts makes me laugh.

Every corporation has a responsibility to the share holder. Donating money is simply a way they market themselves in order to get exposure and endear their products to people's hearts
muffin_man
Montreal Canadiens
Location: no problem, as s hole - Eric Engels, NY
Joined: 02.10.2007

Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM ET
they could of donated nothing

to think that any corporation does things out of the 'goodness' of their hearts makes me laugh.

Every corporation has a responsibility to the share holder. Donating money is simply a way they market themselves in order to get exposure and endear their products to people's hearts

- blarneylad

Could've or Could have. Could of is not a thing.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 26 @ 7:41 PM ET
I know Engels will probably ban me (again) because I disagree and have stats to prove it, but how can Subban be the Habs "best defensive Defenceman" and have an average PK time of 0:44 seconds, which is only better than Nathan Beaulieu... who has 0?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

One would think, the best defensive defenceman would be used more in a defensive role.

--

I do think Subban should be on Team Canada, I think he is 80% and 20% defense, but so was Al MacInnis, he turned out alright.

- BooBoo997

Engels doesn't have the ability to ban posters or delete posts.
2gals1dane
Location: He is a pestilence, & you are the cleansing fire that can rid this sacred land of his disease ridden
Joined: 11.10.2013

Nov 26 @ 7:58 PM ET
So time on the Penalty Kill = a teams best Defensive Dman

I always thought you put the players that were rested and won't be missed when the kill is done. Not being a liability defensively is a good thing but anyone can be taught to stand in a square and get in the way of a shooting lane.

But i guess you have to be the best player on your team to play on the pk.
hamiltonhabfan
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 02.17.2009

Nov 26 @ 8:06 PM ET
So that's why Rogers only donated a measly thousand dollars to my city's local charity for christmas the empty stocking fund. They had 5.2 billion dollars going towards hockey games.

It didn't look THAT bad though.
Tim Hortons donated 40 grand
Irving donated 20 grand

And students at a local high school donated 1500 by donating spare change they had for the last 2 months.

If that weren't enough, this was the first year the telethon had commercials and because it was on a rogers channel, every commercial was for rogers products

I rogers

- Sheppy99





maybe your charity sucks

you say Tim Hortons like they are some local business thats super generous

I bet most people spend more money at Tims in a month than they do on their Rogers phone bill

Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Nov 26 @ 9:58 PM ET
Engels doesn't have the ability to ban posters or delete posts.
- hscesq

and ...thats a wrap! GOOD JOBS PEEPLES.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 26 @ 10:37 PM ET
So time on the Penalty Kill = a teams best Defensive Dman

I always thought you put the players that were rested and won't be missed when the kill is done. Not being a liability defensively is a good thing but anyone can be taught to stand in a square and get in the way of a shooting lane.

But i guess you have to be the best player on your team to play on the pk.

- 2gals1dane

Well if you are the best "defensemen" I would hope you are out on the ice in defensive situations like the penalty kill or the end of the game. Subban is an excellent player but it was a joke that he won the Norris over guys like Weber, Suter, even Keith. Those guys play in every situation, always against the top competition.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Nov 26 @ 10:40 PM ET
Well if you are the best "defensemen" I would hope you are out on the ice in defensive situations like the penalty kill or the end of the game. Subban is an excellent player but it was a joke that he won the Norris over guys like Weber, Suter, even Keith. Those guys play in every situation, always against the top competition.
- sbroads24

are you blind? I said WRAP
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Nov 26 @ 10:50 PM ET
are you blind? I said WRAP
- Pie



Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Nov 26 @ 10:52 PM ET
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MapleLeafsFTW
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 07.14.2010

Nov 27 @ 12:32 AM ET
It's hard to navigate through the bullpoop for this new deal since Rogers and Bell own most of the media in this country it's hard to get an objective opinion or true analysis on the matter.

My understanding is that on certain nights you can watch whatever game you want, however, I also heard a guy on Sportsnet say they are planning on putting in "mini" game center packages for the Canadian teams. If you read and listen to what they are saying, the words "regional blackouts will not be FURTHER implemented" meaning they are not necessarily being entirely uplifted.

Anyone have a reliable objective review of the deal?
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