Not going to win many games scoring one goal either.
17 out of 23 games 2 goals or less.
10 games out of 23 1 goal or less.
- PLindbergh31

True.
Florida gave them fits last night.
I didn't like the play of the Flyers top line, maybe I'm being overly critical but in games like that I expect the Flyers best players to crank it up and didn't feel that they did a good job of taking control or setting the tone.

True.
Florida gave them fits last night.
I didn't like the play of the Flyers top line, maybe I'm being overly critical but in games like that I expect the Flyers best players to crank it up and didn't feel that they did a good job of taking control or setting the tone.
- Marc D

They have scored some goals lately, but those numbers are scary. Dressing Rinaldo and Rosehill you have 2 of your 12 forwards who have no chance to score.

sooo many reasons why they needed a much better effort last night. i could take a split in fla and now they have have to beat the 15 win lightning since you failed to beat the 6 win (sorry now-7 win) panthers. geez i never get tired of philly teams losing to teams they are better than. not saying they can't beat tb but now they almost have to. and you just know that winnipeg will give us fits on friday.

True.
Florida gave them fits last night.
I didn't like the play of the Flyers top line, maybe I'm being overly critical but in games like that I expect the Flyers best players to crank it up and didn't feel that they did a good job of taking control or setting the tone.
- Marc D

i don't think that is over critical. the top line did nothing last night in a game where they needed to step up.

They have scored some goals lately, but those numbers are scary. Dressing Rinaldo and Rosehill you have 2 of your 12 forwards who have no chance to score.
- PLindbergh31

The 4th line doesn't need to score, if they can forecheck and tie up the other team, just play effective hockey and not get scored on when they are out there.

It gives the scoring lines a needed break.

If your fourth line is getting scored on that's when there is a problem.
And the Flyers fourth line has been on the ice for some goals against recently.

They have scored some goals lately, but those numbers are scary. Dressing Rinaldo and Rosehill you have 2 of your 12 forwards who have no chance to score.
- PLindbergh31

The lack of scoring is not on the 4th line.

It's on our top 6 forwards. They ain't getting it done with any sort of consistency.

The lack of scoring is not on the 4th line.

It's on our top 6 forwards. They ain't getting it done with any sort of consistency.
- johndewar

True. But as Marc says, in the limited ice time the 4th line gets, they are giving up goals against. Can't have a complete stiff like Rosehill playing 3-4 minutes a game and having him constantly on the ice when the opposition scores.

Wasn't Rosehill supposed to be the 13th forward?

I usually go when the Flyers are in Sunrise but visiting family in Philly. The Flyers played like the weather here in Philly.

The lack of scoring is not on the 4th line.

It's on our top 6 forwards. They ain't getting it done with any sort of consistency.
- johndewar

Most of the top 6 forwards are getting at least half of their points on the power play. They need to be scoring more 5 on 5...Hartnell in particular is no where near the player he once was. Is it just me or is Streit infuriating to watch? For that matter if we actually had a d-men that could hit the net or not get a shot blocked from the point it'd be a minor miracle

True. But as Marc says, in the limited ice time the 4th line gets, they are giving up goals against. Can't have a complete stiff like Rosehill playing 3-4 minutes a game and having him constantly on the ice when the opposition scores.

Wasn't Rosehill supposed to be the 13th forward?
- PLindbergh31

If I'm not mistaken, Rosehill was oblivious to Boulton and that allowed a goal in the Islander game on Saturday and last night, I have no idea what who he was covering down low on the one panther goal.

True. But as Marc says, in the limited ice time the 4th line gets, they are giving up goals against. Can't have a complete stiff like Rosehill playing 3-4 minutes a game and having him constantly on the ice when the opposition scores.

Wasn't Rosehill supposed to be the 13th forward?
- PLindbergh31

He was and you're not wrong.

I just want to be careful when we talk about role players like Rinaldo and Rosehill making $750k and we seemingly put success or failure on their shoulders.

There are far more highly compensated individuals on this team that deserve the culpability for the shoddy 5 on 5 scoring.

If Rosehill isn't scratched tomorrow I'm not watching. Turning Raffl into a permanent healthy scratch makes no sense.

Any way to get Harntell off the 1st line? I have been underwhelmed the last couple of seasons. Looks more like a 3rd line grinder to me. Switch Hartnell and Downie? Or Read?

Sucks for Couts either way I guess.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wilting in Sunrise, Rinaldo
- bmeltzer

The longer unbeaten streaks run, the more bad habits teams tend to accrue... eventually all the corner cutting and hockey hubris results in a loss (or a string of losses) until the kinks are ironed out, usually in a back-to-basics kind of way. It's just human nature to get complacent when it seems like you can do no wrong.

That's what makes the 12-13 'Hawks and 79-80 Flyers streaks so special.

If Rosehill isn't scratched tomorrow I'm not watching. Turning Raffl into a permanent healthy scratch makes no sense.
- Feanor

Time to punch that Tickt!

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wilting in Sunrise, Rinaldo
- bmeltzer

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Damn right. The Picts are a bunch of punks. It's all about Vanaheim.
- jmatchett383

I'm partial to the bossonians myself

Any way to get Harntell off the 1st line? I have been underwhelmed the last couple of seasons. Looks more like a 3rd line grinder to me. Switch Hartnell and Downie? Or Read?

Sucks for Couts either way I guess.
- Bearintheforest

37 goals underwhelms you eh?

37 goals underwhelms you eh?
- JoeRussomanno

In the 11-12 season he did a tremendous job, but that is more than two years ago.

I was thinking this season and last. 18 points in 51 games while being on the top line 90% of the time is underwhelming. I take it you are pleased with his production?

Hartsy is a great guy, but when you're taking up as much cap space as he does, he simply has to do better.

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- bradleyc4

Meh, I'm glad they lost, maybe now they'll wake up and get their tushes in gear again. Hopefully they come out fired up against Tampa and start a new streak.

With the loss, I really hope they give Raffl a shot on the 4th line. If not, send the kid down and bring up Newbury to be the spare. The kid needs to play.

37 goals underwhelms you eh?
- JoeRussomanno

By that logic, they should go out and get Jonathan Cheechoo.

Sure, anyone who is "disappointed" with Hartnell's 2011-12 season should find a new sport. Just going to assume that the person you replied to meant last season and this season. Where Scott Hartnell has not performed any better than a 3rd line plugger.

37 goals underwhelms you eh?
- JoeRussomanno

While he's shown some flashes, its been a while since he's looked the guy who scored 37 a couple seasons ago. I have to start to wonder if his age coupled with his last injury has permanently effected his play.

Perhaps he will prove me wrong, but I just don't think Hartnell is anywhere near a 1st line winger at this point. That being said, I'm not really sure they have a better option at this time. B Schenn is too inconsistent for that role and I would hate to break up Couturier's line right now.

While he's shown some flashes, its been a while since he's looked the guy who scored 37 a couple seasons ago. I have to start to wonder if his age coupled with his last injury has permanently effected his play.

Perhaps he will prove me wrong, but I just don't think Hartnell is anywhere near a 1st line winger at this point. That being said, I'm not really sure they have a better option at this time. B Schenn is too inconsistent for that role and I would hate to break up Couturier's line right now.
- BiggE

It's clear that '11-'12 was Hartnell's peak season. 16 PPG and scored on 16% of his shots. Those numbers are highly unlikely to be duplicated again.

That being said, he's also been extremely unlucky the past two seasons shooting-wise. He's still capable of 20 goals and 50 points.

Wouldn't irk me to give B Schenn a shot on the top line in his place, but I understand if Berube is trying to re-discover some chemistry between 19-28-93.

We all know this 3rd line won't keep scoring at this pace. And when they stop, someone's going to have to pick up the slack.

By that logic, they should go out and get Jonathan Cheechoo.

Sure, anyone who is "disappointed" with Hartnell's 2011-12 season should find a new sport. Just going to assume that the person you replied to meant last season and this season. Where Scott Hartnell has not performed any better than a 3rd line plugger.
- bradleyc4

I'd say that he hasn't even been a dependable plug... at least those guys pay some attention to detail and have to bring a consistent effort to stay in the lineup.

Hartnell's just sloppy and careless, all over the ice.