He's isn't a top pairing guy, who plays extremely reserved to make it work. At 3+ million, there's better options available for the price.
- PotvinFan

I'd be curious to see this list.

Oh for sure... but they didnt need to set up a fog machine in their house to do it.. i knew something was up.. I think i enjoyed the pain they inflicted on me. Still some of my best friends to this day.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

biding your time for revenge eh? nice. i like it.

2nd most.

Seriously though, you can't compare an old declining team like the Canucks to the young up and cumming Leafs. They're polar opposites of each other.
- systemtool

Yes I agree...I simply made a comparison of letting Phaneuf walk to sign other guys. That's all I was saying.

Hey look, I wasted enough time talking about this that it's now lunch time....cya

Me too.


Maybe we can smoke enough to the point we can agree the Leafs should let Dion walk and pay Bolland 5 million per for 30 years.
- systemtool

It would need to be some high grade kush my man..

Well Letang was injured for awhile and is far better than Dion.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Wow...wrong.

Yes I agree...I simply made a comparison of letting Phaneuf walk to sign other guys. That's all I was saying.

Hey look, I wasted enough time talking about this that it's now lunch time....cya
- LeftCoaster

Sign who? Ron Hainsey and Anton Stralman?

Come on man....it's cool to say things, but most of what you say should make sense.

It would need to be some high grade kush my man..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Sign who? Ron Hainsey and Anton Stralman?

Come on man....it's cool to say things, but most of what you say should make sense.
- systemtool

Don't you have some RFA's and UFA's you'd like to keep, as well as some kids pushing for ice time?

Simply put, Dion is not worth anything over what he currently gets paid. He should be paid as a top 5 five dman in the league.
He cant even crack Team Canada's line up.
- Fakepartofme[/quote]

yeah, it's a joke of a team.

biding your time for revenge eh? nice. i like it.
- DoubleDown

Im still the guinea pig of the group.. My mouth gets us in trouble often enough at bars so they have put up with enough

Mike Richards...? Really?

Jordan Staal? I thought his myth had been shattered by now.
- djamon

Yeah, Carlyle wouldn't want either of those guys as his first line center.
You're right, i digress.

Wow...wrong.
- djamon

You think Phaneuf is better than Letang?

Don't you have some RFA's and UFA's you'd like to keep, as well as some kids pushing for ice time?
- LeftCoaster

Of course. But that was my point earlier. We're a young team, and our kids..the ones who have earned/deserve it ..are already on our roster. Trading our best Dman also isn't the way to go about this. There are other guys who can be shown the door first. Most of our core guys are locked down long term, which I love. If we lose a Raymond, Bolland, Kulemin...no sweat. No big losses, though I would love two keep the first two at reasonable contracts.

You think Phaneuf is better than Letang?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

on the leafs? yes. Letang is horrendous defensively. On a team that needs a PP qb different story. You should compare letang to defensemen like him (karlsson, etc)

Of course. But that was my point earlier. We're a young team, and our kids..the ones who have earned/deserve it ..are already on our roster. Trading our best Dman also isn't the way to go about this. There are other guys who can be shown the door first. Most of our core guys are locked down long term, which I love. If we lose a Raymond, Bolland, Kulemin...no sweat. No big losses, though I would love two keep the first two at reasonable contracts.
- systemtool

for sure.. Raymond has been great, and Bolland has the "intangibles"

He's maybe a step above mediocre.. But factor in his experience and injury problems he falls back to average.. but thats just me. i think Rielly is next Salming but im biased
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Interesting read:

http://www.pensionplanpup...among-the-nhls-defencemen

You think Phaneuf is better than Letang?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

In many areas he's far better. Letang is a dynamic offensive player who can skate like the wind. But he's an abortion in his own zone. He's a poor man's Subban.

Dion is much more physical, has a better shot and is a better leader, IMO. I trust Dion...and I would never trust Letang.

Edit...I think they're much closer overall than you obviously do. You said Letang was far better than Dion, which I think is crazy.

In many areas he's far better. Letang is a dynamic offensive player who can skate like the wind. But he's an abortion in his own zone. He's a poor man's Subban.

Dion is much more physical, has a better shot and is a better leader, IMO. I trust Dion...and I would never trust Letang.

Edit...I think they're much closer overall than you obviously do. You said Letang was far better than Dion, which I think is crazy.
- djamon

you are wise. Although i feel that subban is like dion was when he was young (highlight reel / risk taker). I think subban will get much better as he matures as will his defensive game (like dion's is now). Obviously, the offense takes a bit of a hit.

Your post is bang on.

In many areas he's far better. Letang is a dynamic offensive player who can skate like the wind. But he's an abortion in his own zone. He's a poor man's Subban.

Dion is much more physical, has a better shot and is a better leader, IMO. I trust Dion...and I would never trust Letang.

Edit...I think they're much closer overall than you obviously do. You said Letang was far better than Dion, which I think is crazy.
- djamon

Sometimes, players become a byproduct of the teams they play for and are often over hyped and valued because of this. Then when they get to their new team, its often a shock to the system that they didn't get the same success as that player achieved with his former club.

In many areas he's far better. Letang is a dynamic offensive player who can skate like the wind. But he's an abortion in his own zone. He's a poor man's Subban.

Dion is much more physical, has a better shot and is a better leader, IMO. I trust Dion...and I would never trust Letang.

Edit...I think they're much closer overall than you obviously do. You said Letang was far better than Dion, which I think is crazy.
- djamon

I have to strongly disagree with you.. Letang is still a physical player. Dion has done nothing to prove he's a good leader. If you call hitting the glass 90% of the time then sure he has a better shot. You guys really play into the theories too much. I respect your opinion but you would have to be nuts to take Phaneuf over Letang.

I have to strongly disagree with you.. Letang is still a physical player. Dion has done nothing to prove he's a good leader. If you call hitting the glass 90% of the time then sure he has a better shot. You guys really play into the theories too much. I respect your opinion but you would have to be nuts to take Phaneuf over Letang.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Fair enough.

Interesting read:

http://www.pensionplanpup...among-the-nhls-defencemen
- charlieb83

playing Rielly more is fine with me

I have to strongly disagree with you.. Letang is still a physical player. Dion has done nothing to prove he's a good leader. If you call hitting the glass 90% of the time then sure he has a better shot. You guys really play into the theories too much. I respect your opinion but you would have to be nuts to take Phaneuf over Letang.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Letang and Dion are both good, and I respect your decision. However, with our current D, you have to admit that dion is more valuable to us than adding letang. Again, i'm strictly talking the current leafs D corps.

Realistically what sort of return do you expect from a potential Dion Trade...just a 1st rounder? Iginla level return package? Its a tough guess at this point

I dont see a lot of teams wanting to pony up a lot than that for him since they do would have to resign him to make a big trade package worth it, and plus if they do resign him around 6.5-7 a season, that is a lot to give up for him in assets and cap space.

Letang and Dion are both good, and I respect your decision. However, with our current D, you have to admit that dion is more valuable to us than adding letang. Again, i'm strictly talking the current leafs D corps.
- clark_griswold

It would be nice to see our D contribute a little more offensivly. I know the general assumption is that Letang suck defensivly, but i remember planting trees listening to the radio during the playoffs last year and hearing good things about his defensive game. Then they signed him to a massive contract like the day after the cup was won