I haven't seen him around in a few days. What's up with that?
- EKolb13

Me either EK. Maybe taking a break?

I miss UnnamedSource.
- Elbows15

Something happen to him?

Well as far as the Olympic team, unless injuries wto spots are set...Luongo and Price.

...And Mike Smith might be playing better than anyone....
- Al

Crawford was always a long shot at best. Price is playing pretty well too. IMO the starting spot is his to lose.

Something happen to him?
- BlazinMike

Just hasn't posted in a few days. Maybe he injured himself banging his head off the wall during the trade Seabrook day.

per Lazerus on Twitter, Crawford in net again tonight

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 18m
#Blackhawks lines: Sharp-Toews-Saad, Handzus-Pirri-Kane, Versteeg-Shaw-Morin, Bollig-Kruger-Smith. Hossa expected back in Calgary.
- Glenman12

It's good to have Zeus back. We'll see where he ends up when Hossa comes back. I'd still go with this:

Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Pirri - Kane
Shaw - Kruger - Versteeg
Bollig - Handzus - Smith

Just hasn't posted in a few days. Maybe he injured himself banging his head off the wall during the trade Seabrook day.
- Elbows15

He's still mourning the loss of Rostislav Olesz. I think he may have flown to Switzerland to watch him in person.

A big part is all the suite payments go into a subsidiary like company and are not counted in team revenue....Said so today in Forbes article.

I see you saw same and that is a ton of $$$
- Al

At any rate, pro sports teams are valued on their enterprise value, not the income/dividend they produce for owners each year.

So long as teams cash flow, then owners are primarily happy as franchise value grows.

Set up a pro forma of expenses each team has in common and you can get something comparatively. But this is by and large a chasing your tail exercise when each team/ownership group will/can shift cost centers around for any number of legitimate reasons based upon their circumstances.

If the average fan thinks that owners go to the cash counting room each night and scrape off 10k for personal consumption, they are crazy. Not accusing anyone here, but the concepts of Cash Flow and Profit are not clearly understood by many people.

Many wealthy people pledge their assets to secure a credit line (muliti million dollars often) to finance the operations of a team or many other businesses, which employ millions of people, but are considered evil capitalist organizations.

It's good to have Zeus back. We'll see where he ends up when Hossa comes back. I'd still go with this:

Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Pirri - Kane
Shaw - Kruger - Versteeg
Bollig - Handzus - Smith
- DarthKane

Your love for Handzus is never ending.....

Your love for Handzus is never ending.....
- TrueGrit

His blazing speed should be invaluable against the slow and lumbering Oilers.

It is nuts - for any deal that would be remotely possible.

But - IF Montreal said Subban for Keith, straight up - wouldn't you at least have to consider it?
- StLBravesFan

Is Subban worth worth 2 million more than Keith? Because he's going to get 7 million starting next year. His coach doesn't even play him when they have a lead late in the third. Plus he's a bad teammate (last playoffs screaming at Paccioretty). I'd much rather trade Duncs (I wouldn't) for OEL or Pietrangelo.

At any rate, pro sports teams are valued on their enterprise value, not the income/dividend they produce for owners each year.

So long as teams cash flow, then owners are primarily happy as franchise value grows.

Set up a pro forma of expenses each team has in common and you can get something comparatively. But this is by and large a chasing your tail exercise when each team/ownership group will/can shift cost centers around for any number of legitimate reasons based upon their circumstances.

If the average fan thinks that owners go to the cash counting room each night and scrape off 10k for personal consumption, they are crazy. Not accusing anyone here, but the concepts of Cash Flow and Profit are not clearly understood by many people.

Many wealthy people pledge their assets to secure a credit line (muliti million dollars often) to finance the operations of a team or many other businesses, which employ millions of people, but are considered evil capitalist organizations.
- TrueGrit

Franchise value is a big factor but there are many teams that lose more $$$ in the bottom line than franchise value grows.

When you see Hawks valued at over $600 mill that includes 50% of the UC.

Your love for Handzus is never ending.....
- TrueGrit

I just like him on the 4th line and in a PK role. I admit I don't think he should play every game, but he still has some gas left in the tank.

When the roster is fully healthy I would go with this:

Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Saad - Pirri - Kane
Bickell - Shaw - Versteeg
Bollig/Handzus - Kruger - Smith
Bollig/Handzus

Is Subban worth worth 2 million more than Keith? Because he's going to get 7 million starting next year. His coach doesn't even play him when they have a lead late in the third. Plus he's a bad teammate (last playoffs screaming at Paccioretty). I'd much rather trade Duncs (I wouldn't) for OEL or Pietrangelo.
- rollpards19

The answer ot the 1st question is no but Keith would be making the same now if he didn't sign a very very long term deal.

Franchise value is a big factor but there are many teams that lose more $$$ in the bottom line than franchise value grows.

When you see Hawks valued at over $600 mill that includes 50% of the UC.
- Al

With Rose out for the Bulls now doesn't the Hawks' share of the UC's value go to 100%

The answer ot the 1st question is no but Keith would be making the same now if he didn't sign a very very long term deal.
- Al

You're correct, but the reality is he did, that's why I wouldn't trade him for anybody. Also adding a defenseman who plays a totally different style would have possible negative implications

With Rose out for the Bulls now doesn't the Hawks' share of the UC's value go to 100%
- Return of the Roar

What's a Bulls, and why do they have no flowers?

The answer ot the 1st question is no but Keith would be making the same now if he didn't sign a very very long term deal.
- Al

That deal gets better and better every year.

What's a Bulls, and why do they have no flowers?
- Ogilthorpe2

Something something about weak in the knees. Too soon?

That deal gets better and better every year.
- Elbows15

If a player remains a contributor, most deals DO get better for the team, and worse for the player: caps go up, salaries go up, contract remains the same.

But the player got the security of a long-term deal.

Scottie Pippen never understood that: he would sign a long-term deal wanting security, and then be pissed when the newer contracts were for much more.

Jordan did: as much as you can criticize him for lots of off-court things, he never complained about a contract - even the first long-term contract that had him badly under-paid by the end.

Something something about weak in the knees. Too soon?
- Elbows15

If he can't come back from this one, probably one of the two best players in Chicago sports to have a career-debilitating knee injury: Gale Sayers the second one.

Of course, Willy Galimore had the ultimate career ending injury - maybe as much talent as Sayers.

If a player remains a contributor, most deals DO get better for the team, and worse for the player: caps go up, salaries go up, contract remains the same.

But the player got the security of a long-term deal.

Scottie Pippen never understood that: he would sign a long-term deal wanting security, and then be pissed when the newer contracts were for much more.

Jordan did: as much as you can criticize him for lots of off-court things, he never complained about a contract - even the first long-term contract that had him badly under-paid by the end.
- StLBravesFan

NBA blah, blah, blah.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Meaning - we're going to need a bigger Crawford?
- StLBravesFan

Maybe we can clone Crow using either a rib from Fvineze ?

Something something about weak in the knees. Too soon?
- Elbows15

Oh Oh. *groan*

Something something about weak in the knees. Too soon?
- Elbows15

No, this is alright. One player down and the basketball team goes to poop. The NBA sucks.

If a player remains a contributor, most deals DO get better for the team, and worse for the player: caps go up, salaries go up, contract remains the same.

But the player got the security of a long-term deal.

Scottie Pippen never understood that: he would sign a long-term deal wanting security, and then be pissed when the newer contracts were for much more.

Jordan did: as much as you can criticize him for lots of off-court things, he never complained about a contract - even the first long-term contract that had him badly under-paid by the end.
- StLBravesFan

Jordan also had deals with Nike and others that were worth around $100 million. Scottie never smelled a whiff of that kind of money.