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MetroidPrime
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tim Brent's Basement, Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.20.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:42 AM ET
Points Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 10 million

Discuss:

- OnsideM9


the real discussion is what happens when bobby ryan is up for an extension and the senators literally dont have enough money to pay him?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
is it too late to add Clarkson?
- OnsideM9


I get the feeling that you're late to most things...
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
the real discussion is what happens when bobby ryan is up for an extension and the senators literally dont have enough money to pay him?
- MetroidPrime


He will pull a "Alfie"....
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
James Reimer was inside the briefcase in Pulp Fiction....
- SofaKingBored


Reimer says 'Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!'
MetroidPrime
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tim Brent's Basement, Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.20.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
is it too late to add Clarkson?
- OnsideM9


go chat with dallas stars fans over at internalcapbuzz.com
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
Points Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 10 million

Discuss:

- OnsideM9


Relative Position in Standings

Leafs



















Sens




Discuss
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
This is a good graphic. I really noticed that last night, when Carlson had five or six shots from the point on the same PP. He was wide open and had a clear shot from the point, but there was very little traffic in front. I was surprised when he didn't try to walk in a bit on that play. Or that the Caps didn't give up on that play and try something else.

It was a really good illustration of how you'd look at the shot totals from this game and figure that the Leafs stole a game, but really the shots don't indicate dangerous scoring chances. In fact, those Caps' PPs were good examples of sequences that would pump up the Caps' Corsi, but were actually kind of dumb plays because they kept trying something that wasn't working.

- Zezel


Yup, if you count up "scoring chances" (shots from within the slot), it's 13 to 10 in favour of the Capitals; not exactly dominant considering that they had two extra PPs.

I would like to see our shot count up though; all those shots from outside may have been easily redirected, tipped, or screened in, so there is something to be said for shots on net in general.
MetroidPrime
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tim Brent's Basement, Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.20.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:46 AM ET
Yup, if you count up "scoring chances" (shots from within the slot), it's 13 to 10 in favour of the Capitals; not exactly dominant considering that they had two extra PPs.

I would like to see our shot count up though; all those shots from outside may have been easily redirected, tipped, or screened in, so there is something to be said for shots on net in general.

- gravyface


agreed 100%. franson, phaneuf, and gardiner have a decent enough wrist shot to get it through to the net quickly enough for a re-direct, as was evidenced last night.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:47 AM ET
Points ----- Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 ----- 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 ----- 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 ----- 10 million
David Clarkson 5 ---- 4.75 million

- OnsideM9


Again, get your numbers right.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:48 AM ET
Yup, if you count up "scoring chances" (shots from within the slot), it's 13 to 10 in favour of the Capitals; not exactly dominant considering that they had two extra PPs.

I would like to see our shot count up though; all those shots from outside may have been easily redirected, tipped, or screened in, so there is something to be said for shots on net in general.

- gravyface


I agree, I'm glad they've been able to win but the shot differential and zone time is a work in progress. However they've provided a pretty good example of where boxing out the front of the net and good goaltending can get you.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 24 @ 11:50 AM ET
Points Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 10 million

Discuss:

- OnsideM9



Teams who traded away a top 5 2014 draft pick:

Ottawa Senators.

Discuss.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:51 AM ET
Points ----- Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 ----- 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 ----- 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 ----- 10 million
David Clarkson 5 ---- 4.75 million

- OnsideM9


Dude, you forgot to list Mason Raymond, JVR, Kadri, Franson....oh yeah and the two top ten goaltenders with reasonable cap hits...oh wait, you're not taking a look at the total picture, you're just trolling...carry on
jribout
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 01.24.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:51 AM ET
Most of you will likely disagree, but regardless of the SOG, I felt the Leafs had much more quality scoring chances and were the better team last night. Protect the lead mode, and the uneven PP chances are the causes of the SOG totals for this team. That and the fact the Leafs are a "pass and play team", not a " just get it on net" team.
- systemtool



Agreed.... Especially last night where most of the outside shots there was no traffic in front of the net so not chance for tip ins or screens
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 24 @ 11:52 AM ET
the real discussion is what happens when bobby ryan is up for an extension and the senators literally dont have enough money to pay him?
- MetroidPrime
bobby Ryan is as good as gone. They gave up that disgusting package for two years of him, for sure. Why would he stay? An American playing for a team with no future, that can't pay him. No way he stays.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 24 @ 11:53 AM ET

Gonna be 6-2 heading into next week..

- Fruitcakenipple


5-3 for me. Im rising in the standings!!
jribout
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 01.24.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:54 AM ET
How many games of the 10 excuse maker?
- honesthockey



Count all the games without Bozak where JVR was not centre.... your skipping a couple of multi point games at the beginning....
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:54 AM ET
Points ----- Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 ----- 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 ----- 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 ----- 10 million
David Clarkson 5 ---- 4.75 million

- OnsideM9


Salary is irrelevant in comparison to the gap that would exist if we didn't have these players.

So many people on here seem to think that a team can just go to one of the Big Box stores and buy a new top 6 forward on Black Friday for 50% off.
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 24 @ 11:54 AM ET
Much better


Center (4)
Jonathan Toews CHI $6,300,000
Ryan Kesler VAN $5,000,000
Craig Smith NAS $2,000,000
Andrew Shaw CHI $577,500

Right Wing (4)
Patrick Kane CHI $6,300,000
Patrick Sharp CHI $5,900,000
Reilly Smith BOS $900,000
Brendan Gallagher MON $870,000

Left Wing (4)
Zach Parise MIN $7,538,462
James van Riemsdyk TOR $4,250,000
Chris Kunitz PIT $3,725,000
Mason Raymond TOR $1,000,000

Defensemen (6)
Ryan McDonagh NYR $4,700,000
PK Subban MON $2,875,000
Nick Leddy CHI $2,700,000
Cody Franson TOR $2,000,000
Torey Krug BOS $1,704,167
Jake Gardiner TOR $1,116,667

Goaltenders (2)
Corey Crawford CHI $2,666,667
James Reimer TOR $1,800,000


Gonna be 6-2 heading into next week..

- Fruitcakenipple

Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:55 AM ET
bobby Ryan is as good as gone. They gave up that disgusting package for two years of him, for sure. Why would he stay? An American playing for a team with no future, that can't pay him. No way he stays.
- prock



Sens knew they wouldn't be able to afford him on a new contract..What laughable is they traded for Ryan thinking he was the piece that would bring them the cup this year... ..
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:56 AM ET
5-3 for me. Im rising in the standings!!
- systemtool



We haven't faced off yet....maybe this week...
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 24 @ 11:57 AM ET
Am I the only one who loves watching the Canucks lose?
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:59 AM ET
Am I the only one who loves watching the Canucks lose?
- CarlitoBrigante


I'm getting kind of bored of it now, it's happening so often
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:59 AM ET
5-3 for me. Im rising in the standings!!
- systemtool


I should be 6-2, and my losses have been by a combined 20ish points

I just hope that Datsyuk getting (frank)ed by Cowen doesn't mean that I lose this week, as he was my only guy playing and the other guy has 4 players.... lets hope Ottawa loses
scotch_tape
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: he's coming
Joined: 07.26.2012

Nov 24 @ 11:59 AM ET
I stand corrected, for once the Habs actually play back to back - just like the Leafs do...

amazing.

- BorjeFan4Ever


You never let me down kiddo
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 24 @ 11:59 AM ET
Points Salary Next Year

Tyler Seguin 23 5.5 Million
Bobby Ryan 22 5.5 Million
Phil Kessel 21 10 million

Discuss:

- OnsideM9


I would love to discuss this. You see, cap space is all relative. Relative to whether you use it all, or just some of it. The Leafs are an all team. The Sens are a some team. Why? Because the Leafs can afford it, and the Sens can't. Why? Because the Leafs owner(s) is rich, and the Sens owner is poor.

So, can Toronto afford to over pay some players? Yes. Can the Senators afford to over pay some players? No.

In short, coming here and bragging ..or trolling..player salaries only works if your team is capable of spending money on icing a good team. Clearly, the Sens are not one of those teams. So, as you sit here and think Ryan > Kessel, just remember, the Leafs are > Sens, and it's money well spent.

So yea, enjoy your bargain basement players, bargain basement city, bargain basement team, and bargain basement place in the standings.
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