Leafs have holes to fill which are more important than having 2 number 1 goalies on their roster. Most top teams have 1 true number 1 and a capable backup. Leafs could probably trade for a capable backup for very little.
- Cooshie

Lots? No.

And as I said, they are 1 injury away from having the biggest hole of all to fill if they trade Reimer. Most teams can't afford, financially, to pay two very good goalies. We can. So no point messing with a good thing.

Agreed.... and whos' to say that bernier is 100% ready to carry the mail right now. He's looked really good at times and fallen back to average at times. Who's to say that without Reimer pushing him he doesn't fall back??

Trading a goalie right now isn't the way to go. I sad it in the summer when people were saying Reimer is gone by the end of the summer that a trade like that wont happen till at least next summer if that. Might be 2 summers away.


Trading a young goalie like reimer isn't an in season move. It's an offseason move.
- burn

If the goalie market is still soft, then yes....
If Islanders come calling with an offer of Strome - Leafs would be idiots not to jump at it.

The default offensive structure of the sport lending itself to offence to differentiate and create separation in the score.

Most teams in hockey average about 10 shots a period and when the average save percentage is about .920 it can be very easy for multiple over times to occur. Mix in coaches caring more about defence than offence and the way hockey is played doesn't lend itself to the same game system that other sports use.
- DTF69

which is why those in the know what to change OT. 4 on 4 makes it harder to play not to lose. some want to do 3 on 3 which makes it even harder....


IMO 4 on 4 for 5 mins and then 3 on 3 would be much more entertaining than the shootouts.

Hell what's wrong with a tie??

They could increase it, sure. 10 minutes. But unlimited is stupid.
- DTF69

One of the big problems is that the NHL happily bends over for American networks and networks like things to wrap up on time. But would a 10 minute overtime really take that much longer than a 5 minute period and a shootout? I think a tie after 10 minutes of 4 on 4 would be a very rare thing.

They could increase it, sure. 10 minutes. But unlimited is stupid.
- DTF69

Stupid? Not at all.

You might not like it, but at 4 on 4, it's not likely to go on for too long. It works in baseball and basketball, and it can work in hockey. I don't see anything stupid about it.

Lots? No.

And as I said, they are 1 injury away from having the biggest hole of all to fill if they trade Reimer. Most teams can't afford, financially, to pay two very good goalies. We can. So no point messing with a good thing.
- systemtool

OK..."lots" is wrong, "glaring" is better.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not advocating for trading Reimer (I Reimer). I am only saying if the right offer was to be had, Leafs would be crazy not to do it.

which is why those in the know what to change OT. 4 on 4 makes it harder to play not to lose. some want to do 3 on 3 which makes it even harder....


IMO 4 on 4 for 5 mins and then 3 on 3 would be much more entertaining than the shootouts.

Hell what's wrong with a tie??
- burn

10 years ago people (frank)ing cried like hell over ties. "THIS IS THE WORST WAY TO END A GAME! THIS IS SO STUPID! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE WINNERS! WHY DOESN'T THE LEAGUE SMARTEN UP AND USE THE SHOOTOUT!"

Then fans and "those in the know" got their wish and now they complain again.

which is why those in the know what to change OT. 4 on 4 makes it harder to play not to lose. some want to do 3 on 3 which makes it even harder....


IMO 4 on 4 for 5 mins and then 3 on 3 would be much more entertaining than the shootouts.

Hell what's wrong with a tie??
- burn

Nothing. If you're already giving points to both teams in a SO.

10 years ago people (frank)ing cried like hell over ties. "THIS IS THE WORST WAY TO END A GAME! THIS IS SO STUPID! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE WINNERS! WHY DOESN'T THE LEAGUE SMARTEN UP AND USE THE SHOOTOUT!"

Then fans and "those in the know" got their wish and now they complain again.
- DTF69

Too much generalization going on in this post.

10 years ago people (frank)ing cried like hell over ties. "THIS IS THE WORST WAY TO END A GAME! THIS IS SO STUPID! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE WINNERS! WHY DOESN'T THE LEAGUE SMARTEN UP AND USE THE SHOOTOUT!"

Then fans and "those in the know" got their wish and now they complain again.
- DTF69

I actually don't mind the shootout. But I can honestly say I never heard the bolded. Ever.

10 years ago people (frank)ing cried like hell over ties. "THIS IS THE WORST WAY TO END A GAME! THIS IS SO STUPID! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE WINNERS! WHY DOESN'T THE LEAGUE SMARTEN UP AND USE THE SHOOTOUT!"

Then fans and "those in the know" got their wish and now they complain again.
- DTF69

I don't recall a single person ever complaining about the ties?? Ever.

The only reason shootouts are in there is because the League wants things wrapped up quick. they thought this gimmick would attract fans. They wanted to be like everyone else( No ties in MLB, NBA, NFL).



"those in the know" never wanted the shootout in the first place and are trying to find alternatives to remove it.

Nothing. If you're already giving points to both teams in a SO.
- systemtool

Agreed.

was OK for years before.

Buttman just wants to be like all the others. No ties in baseball, Basketball, football.

If the goalie market is still soft, then yes....
If Islanders come calling with an offer of Strome - Leafs would be idiots not to jump at it.
- Cooshie

if it's for bernie

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 19m
After allowing late tying goal, Reimer says negative thoughts creep into your head; how's he deal with it? "You tell them to screw off"

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 19m
After allowing late tying goal, Reimer says negative thoughts creep into your head; how's he deal with it? "You tell them to screw off"


- burn

Be advised Nonis: If you trade Optimus Reim I will become a fan of whatever team he is traded to...

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 19m
After allowing late tying goal, Reimer says negative thoughts creep into your head; how's he deal with it? "You tell them to screw off"


- burn

Holy crap I just realized that WPG & PHI faceoff at 11:30 am next friday.

Not ragging on Bernier but the way the Leafs are playing with their low scoring, Reimer seems better suited for their style. Don't know if it's too much pressure for Bernier, hanging onto one goal leads for so long while facing soooooooooo many shots. Reimer seems to handle it better. Bernier is very good make no mistake, but the way the Leafs are playing now, Reims is the guy


- GCHonda

I guarantee you in midst of an intense playoff game, you want a calming presence in net like Bernier. Reimer has big save ability, but his weird flop style can allow teams back into games with lucky bounces. He's an all or nothing goalie.

Bernier should develop into a goalie that can steal the 1-0, 2-0 games. In my opinion, more goals are needed to support Reimer, just because you never really know what your going to get on a given night.

Both goalies are good. But Bernier, in my opinion, is the more traditional style of goalie you want.

I guarantee you in midst of an intense playoff game, you want a calming presence in net like Bernier. Reimer has big save ability, but his weird flop style can allow teams back into games with lucky bounces. He's an all or nothing goalie.

Bernier should develop into a goalie that can steal the 1-0, 2-0 games. In my opinion, more goals are needed to support Reimer, just because you never really know what your going to get on a given night.

Both goalies are good. But Bernier, in my opinion, is the more traditional style of goalie you want.
- ejeezy

I'm honestly 50-50 on them both. I was to start the season, not because I'd seen a lot of Bernie(I hadn't) but because everyone I heard said he was a star.

Reimer's shown mental toughness in this town. They've given him every excuse to quit and find another city to play in.

I'm honestly 50-50 on them both. I was to start the season, not because I'd seen a lot of Bernie(I hadn't) but because everyone I heard said he was a star.

Reimer's shown mental toughness in this town. They've given him every excuse to quit and find another city to play in.
- AngryWhiteMale

Agreed. Its a good problem to have.

Why do people want to trade Reimer?
- SofaKingBored

The guy is getting short changed left and right and still owns the league's best sv% right now. We're witnessing Vezina calibre goaltending from Reimer (very small sample size, but still) and our first reaction?

Yay! Trade bait!

The guy is getting short changed left and right and still owns the league's best sv% right now. We're witnessing Vezina calibre goaltending from Reimer (very small sample size, but still) and our first reaction?

Yay! Trade bait!
- Leeman4Gilmour

i with u there.... let bernier be the bait.... if and only if one HAS to go.

I guarantee you in midst of an intense playoff game, you want a calming presence in net like Bernier. Reimer has big save ability, but his weird flop style can allow teams back into games with lucky bounces. He's an all or nothing goalie.

Bernier should develop into a goalie that can steal the 1-0, 2-0 games. In my opinion, more goals are needed to support Reimer, just because you never really know what your going to get on a given night.

Both goalies are good. But Bernier, in my opinion, is the more traditional style of goalie you want.
- ejeezy

Bernier's calming presence has also cost us points this year.

I keep hearing about how superior Bernier is because of his "style". I'm sure there are plenty of guys with a more polished, traditional style than Reimer and even Bernier.

All I know is that every indicator right now says that if you want the best shot at winning games, you roll with Reimer. He stops pucks and wins games; the net is rightfully his.

i with u there.... let bernier be the bait.... if and only if one HAS to go.
- derm10

I'd love it if Reimer just walked up to Nonis and told him, "Let's settle my next contract now, no BS. I'll take a discounted two million per year on a two year deal. You give me a full no trade clause. I'll fight to be the starter here."

I figured out the problem here. The Habs have won 3 in a row, and Scotch Tape wants to troll, and troll hard, but the Leafs won too and still have more points than his team. So he can't just come here and say "ha, we won and you lost!" or "ha, my team has more points than your team" or "ha, the Leafs were outscored"...so he rolled with all he had to roll with... "ha, your goalie is awesome but your team lost the battle of shot totals, but ironically won the shootout. so there Leaf fans, ha to you!"
- systemtool

we also have a game in hand on the habs..lets face it, we are a 14-9 team and they are a 13-11 team.